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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: June 23, 2010, 11:32:27 PM »
Under all these possibilities then it is clear that Putin might just pick himself! Why not? He's going to pick someone and soon because with the Alexander Palace now been opened to the public its clear someone has to live in it, right? I mean with all these efforts made by the government to restore Romanov imagery and history it just seems logical that the Monarchy will be restored, and soon. Why then couldn't he pick himself? JonC.

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: May 12, 2010, 11:20:15 PM »
I hope things change, seriously!  I guess if the whole world is bombarded constantly with the above references Maria and her family refer to themselves by sooner or later everyone, sadly, believes them. Where is the honesty, integrity and sovereign right for her and her family to not only claim but now own the throne of the Russian Monarchy by simply putting a crown on her own head by her own hand. I cannot believe the Church or anyone could fall for this. Is this the will of the people? JonC.

The Russian Church both Abroad and in Russia, recognises her as the Heir.
She has dined with Presidents and Prime Ministers(Medvedev and Putin.)
She has attended many family events, like Crown Prince Frederik's wedding to the then Mary Donaldson.
I dont really think anyone is falling for it or not.



You are certainly far reaching!! If the Orthodox Church did recognize her then why are there so many objections to her actually assuming the Throne? No-one, whether in Government or within the Church, when it is all said and done, will actually choose her because of the baggage her family brings. JonC.

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Interesting! I remember that Bertie, The Prince of wales, while under the Typhoid Fever and thought to be delirious accused his wife, the Princess of Wales, Alexandra of adultery. This was November, 1871..I wonder what he meant? JonC.

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: May 07, 2010, 10:33:18 PM »
I hope things change, seriously!  I guess if the whole world is bombarded constantly with the above references Maria and her family refer to themselves by sooner or later everyone, sadly, believes them. Where is the honesty, integrity and sovereign right for her and her family to not only claim but now own the throne of the Russian Monarchy by simply putting a crown on her own head by her own hand. I cannot believe the Church or anyone could fall for this. Is this the will of the people? JonC.

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: May 04, 2010, 09:14:47 PM »
Dear Richard.

Its very simple. Russians, that is, the ordinary traditional Russian brought up under totalitarianism, much of which is still in the memory of most Russians who were under Communism, and all those who have been influenced by the rich Monarchical imagery and symbolism that is pervasive throughout the various Russian peoples are, because of this background, very protective and engrossed by this influence.

Most Russians are therefor deathly afraid of American Democracy, Nato, and their combined military power. The so-called Western, American influence is viewed by them as the Devil's work.They don't want ' Freedom ' as we here in America know it. Their idea of freedom is based within the protective arm of a government which looks after them and guides them in the direction they must go, with no questions asked.

American Democracy, to them, brings with it the destruction of authority of both within the family and in the larger scope, society. Rampant crime and no sense of communal responsibility because ' God ' is left out of the picture. The US Government and its leaders are prohibited to support the worship of Our Lord. The everyday Russian believes that if God does not consolidate the people, and their leaders, under the ruler ship of Himself, through the Tsar, well then their world will eventually collapse. Democracy, to them, is worse than death. JonC.

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: May 01, 2010, 11:37:57 AM »
Nicholas Romanovich seems to be the choice of most members of the Romanoff family that I know.  The view about Maria Vladimirovich is that she seems to be overly ambitious and overly self promoting.

All the Imperial laws that supported the former Russian monarchy were extinguished in March, 1917 and replaced by the laws enacted by the Provisional Government before the Soviets implemented their own body of law to cement their unfettered authority.

The laws of the Russian Federation do not provide for a monarchy. Therefore any thoughts that there is some kind of "rightful heir" can only be described as an absolute folly.

Margarita


Dear Margarita. What ever the laws say, the people surely say differently. Ultimately, a Tsar will be selected! Isn't it funny, though, how Mr Putin then and now the present leader are not too quick to eliminate all the Romanov Monarchy symbolism. The rich pageantry of Russian Royalty, and its history, with its double headed Eagle proudly displayed on uniforms during the Olympics. It also graces our military uniforms and navy ships and airplanes. It has given and continues to give Russians a foundation to be proud of which no other country can match in the same way.
Even if Mr. Putin, the British and the Americans are still trying to bury the Romanovs away I'm sure that if their descendants cannot be found someone will, and soon, to fill their shoes if such a thing can at all be possible. And if you were wondering, Russia and American Democracy can never be, its just that simple! JonC. 

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There's no point in starting a new topic..Mr. Charles, I guess, from your last reply we could place your king, the Pope, under this same category. Heavens, with all the hidden, and now exposed, perversions permitted within the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy, Priests, Bishops, and the present Pope, would leave one to believe there was more than atheism going on here. There is no sense in posturing your church to a holier than thou stance. Historically it has also been found wanting as well, namely the 1492 inquisitions against non believers particularly against the Jews. Proclaiming Hitler as a ' Son ' of the Roman Church even after what he did under Pius the Xll'ths watch.

Yes, Tsar Nicholas,it could be said, was not a strong leader and maybe not even well educated, as you put it. But like Peter, the fisherman, one chosen by God to lead didn't need education but the guidance and blessings of God, along with the other Apostles, to go forth and spread the Gospel message and they did. Nicholas's role in this world was to guide his Country and Church in as far as God wanted him to and no further. God did for him and to him what was necessary for Russia to play the part it needed to play in subsequent scenarios our Lord placed the world into. Nicholas knew his role and accepted it for himself and his family. God told him so. JonC.   

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: March 17, 2010, 09:58:06 AM »
.... So, my own view has become - the future of the dynasty rests with George M and his ability to marry the right wife and beget more male children. Without this, the legitimist argument will quite literally become extinct.

Lisa, you can't have it both ways. George and his mother are products of morganatic marriages. His line is totally not valid as per the secessionist ideal, and then you say that he must ' marry the right wife '. How could his new line with his new ' legitimate wife ' then produce ' legitimate children ' when he isn't ' legitimate ' to begin with? The people of Russia might as well go down the street and simply pick someone and that will be it.

As far as Democracy is concerned most Russians I've come into contact with and what I've read about think that Democracy is of the Devil because of all the individual freedoms that come with it which has already caused, within the cities, a marked increase in crime and a breakdown of the family structure.

The ' Stalin ' that they are looking for is not that murderer, known historically, responsible for killing millions of his own people, but a strong leader who will rule, by the grace of God, with an iron scepter base on justice and loving kindness for his people and the land. Where is such a person? I believe God will provide him in His good time. JonC.

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: March 16, 2010, 11:59:55 AM »
Richard, I agree with what you say here but that's not my quote. JonC.

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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: March 15, 2010, 01:34:24 PM »
I saw a link on one of the board on this site, sorry, I don't remember where, it was termed ' God, the Tsar and Russia.' Well it was quite an amazing revelation to me to find out how afraid this group was of Democracy and Nato. There was a part where a young boy, maybe 12 or 13 yrs old who was very scared that the Americans along with Nato were going to attack Russia and destroy his world. He and others portrayed there wanted the Tsar to be restored.
Its obvious that if non of the Romanovs are going to be selected to be the next Tsar is it possible for anyone else to simply make his own rules and become the new Tsar? i.e. If the Romanovs are not there to enforce their rules what's to stop someone else to get selected by the people and stipulate his own requirements? By the impression I got from the above film it seems that some Russians are eagerly waiting for it to happen. I know the Cossacks are. JonC.

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News Links / Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« on: March 15, 2010, 01:18:34 PM »
I think that a more pressing issue would be, ' what's going to sway the new Patriarch into changing the Church's official position? ' You would think Maria and her son Georgy would have tried to do that. Instead Georgy came out of the meeting with the Patriarch demanding a whole new investigation??!? JonC.

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News Links / Re: A Poll of AP members who are Russian Orthodox:
« on: March 14, 2010, 11:27:52 PM »
I was wondering how many members on this site are Cossacks. There is the St. George Orthodox Church in New Jersey along with two other churches nearby - I forgot their names - where the Parishioners are mostly all Cossacks. They believe they make up a ' Voiska ', or Army and hope, one day, that they will return to Russia. They have an Ataman by the name of ' Pewnew '. Its all very interesting. I would like to go there one day and visit. I believe they are also waiting for a legitimate Tsar to come along so they can serve him as their ancestors once did. Orthodoxy to them is paramount. I think, and please excuse me if I am wrong, that non Orthodox are welcome to worship but that Jews are not. JonC.

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News Links / Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« on: March 14, 2010, 11:06:27 PM »
Lisa, I understand where euphoria could over power reasonable thinking, especially when it comes to Anna A etc,. What, though, is the thinking of the Church? Church authorities are pretty adamant that a scar has to be there - to the point that they are making its resolve a condition for them to finally accept the buried bodies, at the Peter and Paul Cathedral, to be the Royal Family's. How can they be made to accept that, as you say, a scar doesn't necessarily need to be there?
And, if all the DNA facts are there, why are they continuing to refuse to accept the findings if this scar thing can't be proved? JonC.

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News Links / Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« on: March 10, 2010, 11:33:58 PM »
Lisa, thank you for your response. Of course, as you surmised, I did not intend to insult the ' Gypsies '. I don't understand what you referred to as the ' accuracy ' of the Ekaterinburg remains. I wasn't referring to the accuracy of the scientist's work, they did a fine job. I was referring to the validity of the study as a whole since the Russian Orthodox Church does not, till this day accept that study. I'm sure you are aware that one of their objections to the total acceptance of the Ekaterinburg study was that the famous SCAR being absent on the skull presented to those scientists by the respective authorities. I believe the new Patriarch is still waiting for an explanation. In joining the discussion on this thread I thought I would re-iterate what another poster had written to show I was in full agreement with the Church and Georgy.

Maybe I don't understand? Are we on this site not permitted to refer to the position of the Church on this subject? JonC.

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News Links / Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« on: March 09, 2010, 11:35:10 AM »
Margarita

 I am in no way excusing Maria, her son and especially their ancestors for what they have done in the past BUT I guess if you say that questioning whether the ' remains ' of the Imperial Family are in fact those of the Imperial Family you would have to include under your ' SHAME  ' category the whole Orthodox Church establishment including Patriarch Alexy who had publicly classified the remains, at the actual burial, as being ' victims of the revolution ' and NOT the Imperial Family. I believe Patriarch Kirill must have the same view as well. Its tougher to argue against FACTS as opposed to mass hysteria. Maria is well within her rights to do so. That sham burial should and will eventually BE undone. JonC.

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