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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: November 30, 2008, 05:01:05 PM »
Actually it was taken in Venice in 1862.

From The Bildarchiv Preussischer:

I had never seen it before

Yseult, you are right, Amparo's son was declared venerable, what means he is in the way to being a saint.

From the site of the city of Tarancon, where the duke of Riansares was born:

Born in Madrid on November 17, 1834 and deceased on August 19, 1864, from tuberculosis.  She was appointed Countess of VISTA ALEGRE, on Aug. 9, 1847, and later Princess Czartoryski. She married on March 1, 1855, at Malmaison (Paris), with the Polish prince Wladislaw Czartoryski (born in Warsaw, on July 3, 1828, and died in Boulogne-sur-Seine, on June 23, 1894), 11th Prince of Czartoryski since 1829. Maria de los Desamparados and Wladislaw had a son:
   Francis Augusto Czartoryski y Muñoz,  DUKE OF VISTA ALEGRE, born in Paris on August 2, 1858, and died on April 8, 1893, in Alassio. He was declared venerable on January 1, 1979 by John Paul II, becoming one of the saints of the family. Czartoryski lived a rather unusual life for a prince. The glamour of the royal court didn't appeal to him at all. Instead, daily Mass, frequent confession and caring for the poor were more important. After meeting Don Bosco (another saint),  on October 2, 1888, the Prince Augusto Francisco did vows of poverty, chastity and obedience, and became Salesian.  Four months earlier he had signed the act of renouncing all of his rights of primogeniture. Augusto Francisco was ordained priest on April 2, 1892. He celebrated his first Mass for his family on May 3, a Polish national holiday.  But the illness that led his mother to the tomb, turned inexorably towards him. Death came the night of April 8, 1893.  He was thirty-five years old. 
   His father, Wladislaw married, following the death of Maria de los Desamparados, to Marguerite, Princess of Orleans, on Jan. 15, 1872, in Chantilly.  With the latter he had two sons."

I found that he was beatified on April 25, 2004 by John Paul II. His body is venerated in Przemysl (Poland).

I found this about the eldest boy:

Born in Madrid on March 15 1837, and died on July 15 1855.  He was named Duke of Tarancon, Grande of Spain 1st Class, on November 19 of 1847, and in 1849, Viscount of Rostrollano.  Ddue to his young age he died without offspring.

 On this child, it is noteworthy that Gen. Juan José Flores, first president of the Republic of Ecuador, intended to set up a throne for him on Ecuador. Jorge Francisco Saenz Carbonell says that "Both the Queen Maria Cristina and the Duke of Riánsares received with great interest the proposal of Flores to erect a throne in Quito, especially as the skilful Venezuelan told them the possibility that the Ecuadorian hypothetical crown would go to one of their children, specifically to the nine year old Don Agustin Munoz and Bourbon.  Dona Maria Cristina and her husband, who already were convinced in the idea of a new dynasty, began to help Flores in secret to organize expeditionary forces, with the knowledge of the Minister of War.  Unfortunately for the designs of the Queen Mother and the Duke, the news was leaked, and in August 1846 a newspaper in Madrid, "El clamor publico", made the news of general knowledge. In Spain, there was a bitter controversy, and in many countries of Latin America there was a huge scandal. Plenipotentiary of Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, New Granada and Peru came together to condemn the initiative.  In the end, the Spanish government had to say that they had no part in the plans  and Britain also got part into the matter. Flores had few ships in the estuary of the River Thames to board his soldiers but they were seized by the British authorities, and they also opened proceedings against Captain Richard Wright, who had been commissioned to organize the small square. At the end part of the Spanish Government had to resign and the prestige of Dona Maria Cristina was very damaged. "The reign of" Don Agustin I "and the dynasty Munoz finished before it started, and the child that was to be the King had to settle for the title of Duke of Tarancon, which was given to him by his half-sister Queen Isabel II in November 1847.  He died unmarried in Paris in 1855, at eighteen years old, and the adventure was only an illusion.

And about the younger ones:

 FERNANDO DE BOURBON AND MUÑOZ, born in Madrid on April 27 1838, and died on Dec. 7 1910. He was named first in 1848, I Count of Casa Muñoz, then in 1849, I Viscount of Arboleda, and after the death of his brother, II DUKE OF RIÁNSARES AND II DUKE OF TARANCÓN. He was married on September 11, 1861, in Oviedo, with Eladia Bernalda of Quiros and Gonzalez de Cienfuegos. They had eleven children.

 JUAN BAUTISTA MARIA MUÑOZ AND BOURBON, born in Paris on August 29 1844, and died on April 2 1863, in Pisa.  He was appointed Count of Recuerdo, 29 February 1848, and in 1849, the Viscount of Villarrubia I and II DUKE OF Montmorot. He had no offspring.

 ANTONIO DE PADUA MUÑOZ AND BOURBON, born in Paris on December 23 1842, and died in Madrid in 1847.

 JOSE MARIA MUÑOZ AND BOURBON, born in Paris on December 21 1846, and died in Pau, on Dec. 7 1863. . He was named Count of Gracia, 29 February 1848, and I Count of Arboleda. He had no offspring.


The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: November 20, 2008, 05:04:18 PM »
Oh, I would pay to see it!

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: November 19, 2008, 11:05:57 AM »
I just wonder, is there any photograph of Sisi with her sisters Marie, queen of the two sicilies or Mathilde Trani ?

They spent a lot of time together...

French Royals / Re: Emperor Napoleon III and his family
« on: November 19, 2008, 10:19:01 AM »
You're welcomed

I've found this on "diario el mundo", a Spanish newspaper on line, about Infanta Josefa:

"One autumn morning in 1847,Doña Pepita craved for pastries, so she went in a carriage to Lhardy, the popular pastry shop in Madrid, to buy chocolates filled with liquor, its specialty. On the street, the carriage went too fast. Suddenly, the scaffolding of a house under construction relented, causing the horses of the real carriage to gallop free, scared and without control. The Infanta, frightened, requested help, and a man jumped, alone, struggling with the horses to stop them.  Walkers would whirl around the carriage, cheering at the young man, who not only kissed her right hand, boldly, but  retained it for a moment between his.
Thus was the beginning of the Infanta Pepita ordeal.  First, the Infanta tried to take off her savior of the head, then did penance. Then she entrusted to an unconditional maid, who was the darling of a police officer: "I want to reward Mr courageous for his bravery. Find out who he is, where he lives and what he does for a living". "  The maid did wath she was asked.

On the third day came the report: José Güell and Renté was born in Havana in 1818. Of descent catalana, served as a journalist and poet in El heraldo, El Clamor publico  and other unconformist little newspapers of Madrid. He lived in a small study in the streets of Toledo and in the neighborhood had a reputation of ladies conqueror. . Pepita, a victim of her passion, as a child succumbed to the charms of the Cuban, who, "realizing that the feelings of Her Highness were serious, and that fortune had entered his house, only thought of opening the door for it, then firmly closing it so fortune wouldn't escape", testified someone at that time.

When Doña Pepita asked the Queen for a license to marry the poet of revolutionary thoughts, Isabel II got shocked. "Lock him away for a season", she said, "and you get away from the court immediately. You get secluded  in the palace of Valladolid in the company of your father until your obsession goes away. "

Loves like that are the most difficult to fight. In June 1848 the couple, who had been exchanging letters in secret, decided to escape, which at that time was the height of romanticism. The elopement was in fact really strange, because the bride was accompanied by her father, the Infante Don Francisco de Paula; the only thing he wanted was to be free of headaches and return to the capital.  Father and daughter left for a walk, they said to his bodyguard.  At a bend of the road the cuban was waiting with a priest and two witnesses.  "All employees of surveillance have been avoided,"  the desolate police chief wrote to Madrid, after the event.

Isabel  II exonerated her cousin of her titles and honors.  Pepita went from Infanta to Mrs. Guell in a blink of an eye. The escapees took refuge in France and had two kids. Isabel II, all heart, forgave her when she learned that the Cuban kept Pepita appart and had affairs with women of all kinds of life, from aristocrats to commoners, eager to be with the man who had dazzled an Infanta. Pepita was reinstated in 1855 to her status as Highness and her sons created Marquess of Valcarlos, the oldest, and the Marquis de Güell the youngest.  Guell, for his part, arrived at the office of Senator of the Kingdom, because not in vain he was a relative of the Queen.  But the fiery idyll of Pepita with his Pepe was never able to resume , killed by disenchantment and his voluble condition of ladies man."

Forgive for any mistake in the translation that you find... I tried my best in it.

French Royals / Re: Emperor Napoleon III and his family
« on: November 17, 2008, 12:03:28 PM »
The duchess of Morny was born Princess Sofia Sergeyevna Trubetskaya in 1836 at Moscow; she might have been illegitimate daughter of Nicholas I of Russia.

In 1856, Morny was sent to the coronation of Alexander II of Russia and there he met Sophie, whom he married at St. Petersburg on January 7, 1857. He was created Duke in 1862.

The had four children:
Marie Eugenie de Morny (Paris, 1857 - Paris, 1883):
Auguste Charles Louis Valentin de Morny, 2nd Duc de Morny (Paris, 1859 - Paris, 1920)
Serge de Morny (Paris, 1861 - Paris, 1922)
Sophie Mathilde (Missy) de Morny (Paris, 1863 - Paris, 1944)

Duc de Morny

Duchesse de Morny

French Royals / Re: Duke Robert of Chartres, and his family
« on: November 17, 2008, 11:30:21 AM »

French Royals / Re: Duke Robert of Chartres, and his family
« on: November 17, 2008, 11:20:44 AM »

The Imperial Family / Re: Grand Duchess Ksenia and Grand Duke Alexander
« on: November 16, 2008, 01:52:49 PM »
Wonderful photograph!! It's nice to see the three of them together... Thanks for sharing

French Royals / Re: Duke Robert of Chartres, and his family
« on: November 15, 2008, 05:13:35 PM »
Thank you Yseult and Remi for the great pictures!! I like the one of them together very much.

French Royals / Re: Duke Robert of Chartres, and his family
« on: November 14, 2008, 12:14:16 PM »
Hello! I would like to get some information on Robert, Duke Of Chartres, (brother of the Count of Paris) and his wife and cousin, Francoise, princess of Joinville.
There seems to be nothing about them in the web...

Pictures are always welcomed.

Thanks in advance!

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