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It was said that Karl was in love with a Princess von Hohenlohe before Zita and that Franz Josef said to him to search for another bride...can anyone tell me who was she?

It was Bella Hohenlohe - Isabella (1891-1982), daughter of Gottfried Hohenlohe-Langenburg.

I'd not read this before----what were the circumstances?  Were they actually engaged or anything?

The New Liturgical Movement writes:

"Many readers will rejoice -- fittingly on this Gaudete Sunday -- to learn that last Thursday, 10 December 2009, the Cause of Beatification of the Servant of God Zita, last Empress of Austria and wife of Blessed Emperor Charles, was solemnly opened by His Excellency Msgr. Yves Le Saux, Bishop of Le Mans, France. "

Rest of the article here:

The story has been picked up by a couple of monarchist bloggers already.  Andrew Cusack in particular has an excellent article of his own here:

The Association for her Beatification is here:
It is quite new, and the information has not been translated from French yet.  But if you read French, go ahead and visit:  the material is very good. 

A good complement would be the Association for the Beatification of Karl, here:

Title Zita, the last empress of Austria: the story of Her Imperial and Royal Majesty Zita of Habsburg-Lorraine and her sojourn in Québec City, 1940-1950
Author Leo J. Hammerschmid
Publisher Meridian Press, 1989
ISBN 0929058054, 9780929058054
Length 352 pages

Fantastic----thank you!  I will definitely look that up!

That makes a lot of sense----thanks for answering!


I'm a new member here. I have a question regarding imperial coronation. It seems Emperor Karl and Empress Zita were only crowned in Hungary. Why weren't they crowned in Vienna? Was there usually an imperial coronation for the Austrian monarchs?


I read that Karl didn't get crowned elsewhere for a number of reasons.  Although he wanted to, and it was his intention to eventually get crowned everywhere applicable, he

(1) not want to put the Empire through additional expenses in wartime;

(2) eventually discovered some of the oaths he would have had to take to defend various territories were contradictory because of border disputes; and probably most importantly, 

(3) he ran out of time. 

I've read in passing in a few places that Zita and the children stayed in Canada for some time---Québec City I understand---and that some of the children went to school here.  When did they arrive?  When did they leave?  Any one know any other details?  (I'm in Canada, and I've not got the money to go over to Europe.  But I would love to do a "Habsburg pilgrimage" to Québec City if I can find out more details!)

The Habsburgs / Re: The restoration of Monarchy in Austria...
« on: August 29, 2009, 07:00:13 PM »
The prophesies are interesting, and I'm glad you posted them. 

But to take things in another direction-----I've read that it was financially very difficult for Zita and her children because almost everything they owned had been confiscated by the new Austrian government.  Was that the case for the other Habsburgs, i.e. were they all in financial difficulty after the war?  If not, why didn't more of them help Zita out with a bit of cash afterwards?

Greetings, this is my second post in the Alexander Palace.  I have a question about the Imperial family in Madeira, and I hope this is the right thread to post it on. 

I have read that they had three or four servants living with them in Madeira:  the Count and Countess Hunyadi and a couple more.   Who paid the servants if Karl & Zita were bankrupt?  Did they have any families themselves?  Whatever happened to them afterwards?

Greetings all, this is my first post here. 

Something I've always wondered about:  Both times Karl tried to regain the Hungarian throne, the reason Admiral Horthy gave for refusing to hand over the crown because the Little Entente would have attacked Hungary.  I don't think Horthy was bluffing, and I don't think he was power hungry himself (he didn't really act like it, as far as I know.)  So it seems that Horthy's fear was a genuine one. 

Given that Karl did not start the war, and also given that he was the only one to actively tried to stop it, it was obvious that Karl was not the type to go off and attack other nations.  He would have posed no threat to his neighbours. 

So, why were they so hostile?  Was it general anti-Habsburgism?  Latent anti-monarchism springing from socialism?  Something else?  A combination of all of the above?  It is a bit of a mystery to me. 

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