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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 16, 2007, 02:43:16 PM »
Sorry, it's going to be a bit personal, I've just realized that synnadene is Hungarian, too, so it's a bit funny that I wrote in English about programs that she(?) presumably know... But hope that there is someone who finds these informations useful...  :D  :D
On Sunday I sent an invitation to a Hungarian Elisabeth-forum, because we (The Institute of Habsburg Studies) oganised an infortainment, and as I can remember, there was a forum member called synnadene, too :D...
So she can read the same informations in Hungarian in my study on the new Gödöllő website...
http://www.kiralyikastely.hu/erzsebet/index.php?mid=45
I'm just reading my previous post... Five "of"s in one sentence  ;D  ;D I think it's better to read me in Hungarian... :D

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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 16, 2007, 02:08:37 PM »

Similar, but not the same  :( Maybe the author is the same  ???
Yes, the painter is the same: Gyula Benczúr. In 1898 Emperor Franz Joseph commissioned five portraits of Elisabeth for the former Empress' ladies in waiting. Two of them were painted by Gyula Benczúr. The one painted for Ida Ferenczy is to be found today in the Hungarian National Museum (Oil, canvas, 142 x 92,5 cm, inv. no. 1861), this is the FAMOUS ONE, which can be seen on the cover of Hamann's album, and on the cover of the Hungarian album (now there are plans of a second edition), too.
Now it's not on display, but it will be one of the highlights of a new temporary exhibition "The Cult of Elisabeth" in Gödöllő. (Opening: 7th June). In this year there are many programs because of three anniversaries: 1837, 1857 - Elisabeth's first visit to Hungary, 1867. There's an extra site with the huge variety of these programs (and also with a study written by me  :) - still only in Hungarian about the posthumous portraits of Elisabeth).
A new book will be also published written by the museologists of the palace. It will be a richly illustrated catalogue of the historical postcard collection of the palace showing the Hungarian places of memory of Elisabeth in the turn of the last century. It will be published in three languages. There will be an other exhibition in the Museum of Budapest History "Queen Elisabeth and the Royal Palace of Buda" - Opening: 8th June). And many more... (For example: on the long night of museums (23th June) Brigitte Hamann will visit the castle and lecture on Elisabeth etc. etc.)
Now we're writing an illustrated catalogue of the new Gödöllő exhibition (the text is finally RREEAADDYY), and another picture album is coming soon...
So,
the second portrait by Benczúr was painted for Irma Sztáray (also in 1899). Now it's lost, but there are some historical photos of it (I will send one a few hours later), and there's a replica (presumably also by Benczúr himself) in the Thurn und Taxis Kunstsammlungen in Regensburg, Germany. (oil, canvas, 138 x 94 cm, inv. no.: St.E. 492.) It was on display in the exhibition "Bavaria - Germania - Europa, Geschichte auf Bayerisch" in the Haus der Bayerischen Geschichte in Augsburg in 2000 (cat. no. 6.48.). The small colour detail posted before is from the official website of this exhibition. There's a photo showing the complete painting is colour on the website as well, but I was unable to download it. The BW detail postred before seems to be detail of the original painting.
(And there's a third portrait of Benczúr: a full length one showing E in the same dress with a dog - it was burnt during the WW II).
So, here it comes

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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 16, 2007, 08:54:28 AM »





A few years ago it was in terrible condition (WW II as usual). Itr was exhibited that way in Autumn 2005 in an Austrian exhibition. Now it's restored: you can see the whole process here: http://www.bda.at/text/136/1435/8460/

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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 16, 2007, 08:45:57 AM »
Here are some more. There are many Sisi sites on the Web!



Where is this reproduction from I wonder. It was originally published in the London Illustrated News in the 1880s, but I still haven't seen the original, only the one reproduced in the Hungarian press. And it seems to be the English version. Do you have a bigger version of it?

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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: May 16, 2007, 08:42:20 AM »

Yes, the painter is the same: Gyula Benczúr. In 1898 Emperor Franz Joseph commissioned five portraits of Elisabeth for the former Empress' ladies in waiting. Two of them were painted by Gyula Benczúr. The one painted for Ida Ferenczy is to be found today in the Hungarian National Museum (Oil, canvas, 142 x 92,5 cm, inv. no. 1861), this is the FAMOUS ONE, which can be seen on the cover of Hamann's album, and on the cover of the Hungarian album (now there are plans of a second edition), too.
Now it's not on display, but it will be one of the highlights of a new temporary exhibition "The Cult of Elisabeth" in Gödöllő. (Opening: 7th June). In this year there are many programs because of three anniversaries: 1837, 1857 - Elisabeth's first visit to Hungary, 1867. There's an extra site with the huge variety of these programs (and also with a study written by me  :) - still only in Hungarian about the posthumous portraits of Elisabeth).
A new book will be also published written by the museologists of the palace. It will be a richly illustrated catalogue of the historical postcard collection of the palace showing the Hungarian places of memory of Elisabeth in the turn of the last century. It will be published in three languages. There will be an other exhibition in the Museum of Budapest History "Queen Elisabeth and the Royal Palace of Buda" - Opening: 8th June). And many more... (For example: on the long night of museums (23th June) Brigitte Hamann will visit the castle and lecture on Elisabeth etc. etc.)
Now we're writing an illustrated catalogue of the new Gödöllő exhibition (the text is finally RREEAADDYY), and another picture album is coming soon...
So,
the second portrait by Benczúr was painted for Irma Sztáray (also in 1899). Now it's lost, but there are some historical photos of it (I will send one a few hours later), and there's a replica (presumably also by Benczúr himself) in the Thurn und Taxis Kunstsammlungen in Regensburg, Germany. (oil, canvas, 138 x 94 cm, inv. no.: St.E. 492.) It was on display in the exhibition "Bavaria - Germania - Europa, Geschichte auf Bayerisch" in the Haus der Bayerischen Geschichte in Augsburg in 2000 (cat. no. 6.48.). The small colour detail posted before is from the official website of this exhibition. There's a photo showing the complete painting is colour on the website as well, but I was unable to download it. The BW detail postred before seems to be detail of the original painting.
(And there's a third portrait of Benczúr: a full length one showing E in the same dress with a dog - it was burnt during the WW II).

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I agree. I think there's no other possibility. The portrait itself suggest the 17th century, Joseph I. became King of Hungary in 1687, at the age of 9, so it looks OK. On the other hand, this portrait is quite mediocre (or worse), so I shouldn't care about resemblance.
Anyhow, one more portrait:

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The Habsburgs / Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
« on: November 30, 2006, 12:28:22 PM »
The second one, worn during the Hungarian coronation, was gifted to the diocese of Veszprém, where - following the traditions - different vestment pieces were made of it. Two of them is still to be found in the Cathedral of Veszprém.
The gala dress shown on Winterhalter's portrait did not survive.

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Festetics family, their lives and homes
« on: October 19, 2006, 01:26:18 PM »
Which auction was it?

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Festetics family, their lives and homes
« on: October 17, 2006, 10:10:57 AM »
I found this portrait with description:''Countess Nabo de Nagy Stz.Miklos,born Festetics'' but don't know who she was(her name,when was she born,whe she died etc.) and also don't know if she had any connection with Marie Festetics or Empress Sissi...Any help who she was?
I think she must be Terézia Festetics, Countess Sándor Nákó de Nagyszentmiklós (1787-1873). She's the only Nákó countess in the period and the hairstyle suggets the 1840s, so this identification looks OK.
She was daughter of Ignác Festetics (1761-1826), who was son of Károly Festetics (1733-1771). Károly's older brother was Pál Festetics (1725-1782), whose grandson, Sándor Festetics (1805-1877) was Marie's father.

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Festetics family, their lives and homes
« on: October 17, 2006, 08:34:00 AM »
Where did you find it?

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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: October 12, 2006, 07:41:13 AM »
And it was made in the mid-1850s by Karl Theodor von Piloty. Sorry, I don't remember the exact date. Anyhow the first and the second one were both made not later than the 1860s.

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Festetics family, their lives and homes
« on: September 21, 2006, 10:23:58 AM »
Yes.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Question about and/or Help with Picture(s)
« on: June 24, 2006, 05:46:49 AM »
#1: Arpad Feszty: The coronation of Queen Elisabeth. Now it's on display in Betliar Castle, Slovakia. Here's a rather bad photo (I'll try to find a better one)


Anyhow, I find this painting a very ugly one.

# 3: painting by Eduard Swoboda (Keresztény Muzeum, Esztergom, Hungary). It's reproduced in many Hungarian publications, I'll try to scan it, but still don't know when :-(

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The Habsburgs / Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« on: June 24, 2006, 05:30:43 AM »
More (both by Gyula Benczur)
# 1: 1894, as king of Hungary /Hungarian National Museum, Budapest/
# 2: 1902, in English uniform: a gift fot the coronation of Edward VII /Royal Collections, UK/
# 3: 1904 (detail) /destroyed/






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