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1006  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Edmund Tudor on: May 15, 2007, 02:45:40 AM
On Mary Tudor's death (Henry VIII) Sister

This is from Cloth of Gold and Cloth of Frieze I quote:

 " She was also in failing health.  She had suffered through the sweating sickness in 1518 and never completely recovered.  She may also have been exhibiting the first signs of the disease which eventually killed her; most historians believe it was cancer.  She was present at several court functions over the next few years (a summer 1526 party for European ambassadors, for example) but came to court with less and less frequency. "
1007  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Edward IV and Elizabeth as a Couple on: May 12, 2007, 11:15:01 PM

"The courtship of Elizabeth Woodville by Henry's grandfather was remarkably similar, though no letters remain. Edward laid out bribes to her father, Richard Woodville, Lord Rivers, and made financial offers to Elizabeth. In the end, he too tried to force the issue. Contemporary stories tell of Edward's reaching the point of putting a knife to Elizabeth's throat and being told that she was `determined to die rather than live unchastely with the King'. Again, only marriage gave him what he wanted."
History Today Dec 2000 v50 i12 p48
What do you think of this?  Roll Eyes Had anyone ever heard the story of the knife?












1008  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Contemporary Descriptions on: May 12, 2007, 10:58:28 PM
Well, it was a good description.... Grin
1009  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Contemporary Descriptions on: May 11, 2007, 01:37:47 AM


As for her face, it is and appears to be very aged. It is long and thin, and her teeth are very yellow and unequal, compared with what they were formerly, so they say, and on the left side less than on the right. Many of them are missing so that one cannot understand her easily when she speaks quickly. Her figure is fair and tall and graceful in whatever she does; so far as may be she keeps her dignity, yet humbly and graciously withal."

References:
   The Ambassador's eyewitness account appears in: Maisse, Andre Hurualt, (G.B. Harrison and R.A. Jones eds.) De Maisse; a Journal of all that was accomplished by Monsieur de Maisse, ambassador in England from King Henri IV to Queen Elizabeth (1931); Johnson, Paul, Elizabeth I, a Study in Power and Intellect (1976).

How To Cite This Article:
"An Audience with Queen Elizabeth I, 1597," EyeWitness to History, www.eyewitnesstohistory.com (2004).

   
Ancient World | Middle Ages/Renassiance | 17th Century | 18th Cen..He led me along a passage somewhat dark, into a chamber that they call the Privy Chamber, at the head of which was the Queen seated in a low chair, by herself, and withdrawn from all the Lords and Ladies that were present, they being in one place and she in another. After I had made her my reverence at the entry of the chamber, she rose and came five or six paces towards me, almost into the middle of the chamber. I kissed the fringe of her robe and she embraced me with both hands. She looked at me kindly, and began to excuse herself that she had not sooner given me audience, saying that the day before she had been very ill with a gathering on the right side of her face, which I should never have thought seeing her eyes and face: but she did not remember ever to have been so ill before.

She was strangely attired in a dress of silver cloth, white and crimson, or silver 'gauze', as they call it. This dress had
Elizabeth I at the time of
her coronation, 1558
slashed sleeves lined with red taffeta, and was girt about with other little sleeves that hung down to the ground, which she was for ever twisting and untwisting. She kept the front of her dress open, and one could see the whole of her bosom, and passing low, and often she would open the front of this robe with her hands as if she was too hot. The collar of the robe was very high, and the lining of the inner part all adorned with little pendants of rubies and pearls, very many, but quite small. She had also a chain of rubies and pearls about her neck. On her head she wore a garland of the same material and beneath it a great reddish-colored wig, with a great number of spangles of gold and silver, and hanging down over her forehead some pearls, but of no great worth. On either side of her ears hung two great curls of hair, almost down to her shoulders and within the collar of her robe, spangled as the top of her head. Her bosom is somewhat wrinkled as well as one can see for the collar that she wears round her neck, but lower down her flesh is exceeding white and delicate, so far as one could see.

(Elizabeth I was 65 years old at this description) and had reigned for 39 years.
1010  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Yorkist Princesses on: May 11, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
That is a beautiful depiction in the Cathedral Window. She looks like her Mother to me.

 I have not come across anything yet in the primary materials that tells me how devout Elizabeth Woodville was in her religion. But I know devout Catholics of the WWII and Korean generationl liked to see one of their children become a Priest or Nun.  Not so much these days but they don't have huge families and they don't have to provide dowries.   Cheesy
1011  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Was Elizabeth I a virgin when she died? on: May 10, 2007, 11:46:51 PM
I think it was more of an exam when Queen Elizabeth was alive...Dr. McGee was a an elderly Professor and now is dead or I would ask him for the source.
 I would like to know where the uterus story came from also.
Anyone?  Roll Eyes
good to know about the post mortem


1012  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Was Elizabeth I a virgin when she died? on: May 10, 2007, 02:42:09 AM
I wish I had joined this site and been able to participate in this discussion earlier. I don't have time to research any of this now but when I had a University History Class Dr. McGee in English History Class stated that Contemporaries knew that Queen Elizabeth lived openly with Lord Robert Dudley. He explained they had connecting rooms. Now that might not contribute to the "Virginity question" but I wonder if anyone has heard this and knows of a source. He also claimed that she never conceived because of a crooked womb or uterus. Anyone ever heard that?
1013  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Yorkist Princesses on: May 08, 2007, 03:55:24 AM
Any images of Bridget or Anne?  I wonder how strong the Woodville influence carried in appearance? Lips sealed
1014  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England on: May 08, 2007, 02:53:56 AM
 ;)Yes, that's what I mean about an edit button!!!

 I am in the process of reading The Croyland Chronicle...there was a lot of jealousy toward  Elizabeth Woodville and her relatives...and a lot of resentment..they blamed her instead of Edward IV for the positions of favor that they expected...according to my interpretation of  the Chronicle.

You have given me another name to pursue as a Contemporary. Thank You!

....One of the interesting things about history is that each resource is discredited or valued depending on the stance the Historian is taking. Apparently there is doubt on the Chronicle and yet it is mentioned as a resource under everything I pull up.
1015  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England on: May 08, 2007, 02:52:05 AM
 ;DYes, that's what I mean about an edit button!!!

 I am in the process of reading The Croyland Chronicle...there was a lot of jealousy toward  Elizabeth Woodville and her relatives...and a lot of resentment..they blamed her instead of Edward IV for the positions of favor that they expected...according to my interpretation of  the Chronicle.

You have given me another name to pursue as a Contemporary. Thank You!

....One of the interesting things about history is that each resource is discredited or valued depending on the stance the Historian is taking. Apparently there is doubt on the Chronicle and yet it is mentioned as a resource under everything I pull up.
1016  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England on: May 07, 2007, 02:55:33 AM
Sigh! I wish I had an edit button but let me add to the above. I realize now that many on line are divided on the value of  More's interpretation of Richard III  but I still would like an opinion on More's version of the Queen and the youngest Son in Sanctuary. Also Dominic Mancini from the bits of text I can find apparently was anti-Ricardian as he was described. If you or anyone feels there are good primary sources to support Richard III I would like to look at those also if they go into Elizabeth Woodville or the death of the two Princes! Although I will persue the Richard III site... I would be very open to dissertations or any translation of letters of the period. I was surprised to read there are apparently some.
 Roll Eyes
1017  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England on: May 07, 2007, 02:00:35 AM
I read the above link. Sir Thomas More gives a very vivid description of Katherine Woodville as Queen taking sanctuary with the youngest Son. His description allowed her no choice but to turn the youngest Son over.....the ArchBishop of Canterbury is promising her by his word nothing will happen but threatening her with the Nobles outside determined to take the Child regardless. do you feel that Thomas More has historical accuracy in his text of this matter? I will go into the Richard III site and any other that you can suggest or anyone?
Thank you! Cheesy
1018  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Myths of the Tudor ghosts on: May 06, 2007, 03:42:36 AM
http://www.castleofspirits.com/hamptonghostL.jpg

site for a picture of a ghost at Hampton Court
 Roll Eyes
1019  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England on: May 06, 2007, 02:44:30 AM
I've been posting in the other area on Elizabeth Woodville...does anyone know how I can find the material from a contemporary named Mancini( last name)?
Mancini describes Elizabeth Woodville apparently and I'm interested in what he thought of her as a Woman and as a Queen. I would like to find something that is a primary source.... if possible...

 :)i
1020  Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty / The Tudors / Re: Edward IV and Elizabeth as a Couple on: May 05, 2007, 12:00:10 AM
Thank you Kimberly:
So, apparently one of Jane Shore's great attractions is that she was very witty! Although she was referred to as comely but never called beautiful! But I wonder how much respect she actually got compared to say Louis XIV's Mistresses? In the text she is referred to as a harlot!

I also found it interesting that Elizabeth Woodville was accused of "laying an enchantment on Edward IV" just because he married her. Didn't her Brother have to fight a Challenge for her honor before the ceremony crowning her Queen?
Mari Smiley
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