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Princess C of H is certainly not Ludwig (Louis) IV's mother - she was Princess Louise of Prussia, or of Hesse.

Queen Victoria invariably referred to Ludwig IV's mother as "Princess Charles of Hesse", for example in letters to her daughter Vicky of March 24, 1858; June 20, 1860; December 8, 1860; October 1, 1861; July 2, 1862; July 8 1862, etc.  In her diary entry of 17 December 1878, the Queen wrote "Received a touching letter from Pss Charles, saying she wished to pour her heart out to me, & mourn with me over our darling child......Poor Pss Charles was there the whole night, holding dear Alice's hand."

If the letter dated 2 December refers to a birth, then it presumably took place in the previous week or so. We need to take account of where Queen Victoria was at the time (Windsor or Osborne?) and how long the news had taken to reach her. 

Queen Victoria was at Balmoral until the 21st November 1878, when she travelled to Windsor.  She went to Osborne on the 20th December.  Because of the cataclysmic events surrounding the Hesse-Darmstadt family at the time, she was receiving frequent telegrams from Darmstadt and letters seemed to arrive pretty quickly as well - perhaps by courier. 

There seems to have been a coolness between Alice and Vicky because of Wilhelm's attachment to Ella.  Apparently much of the correspondence between the Queen and Vicky relating to this was destroyed, but in a surviving letter of October 2 1878, the Queen wrote "...I never told Alice you had complained bitterly to me-and that you had never asked me to write-for how could I?  I only warned you what I had gathered and I have told you and Herr v. Liebenau (what I am thoroughly certain of) that Alice never wished to catch Willie, for I know she did not.  It is a distressing misunderstanding which I trust is now cleared up and which I shall be too happy to aid in smoothing down if required.  I think others (unintentionally) have talked and made messes, which is very annoying.  Herr v. Liebenau thinks (as I do) Willie should not be pressed to marry too early."  This sounds as if Vicky had suspected Alice of encouraging Wilhelm's attachment to Ella, a suspicion the Queen believed was exacerbated by gossip.  This rather temperate discussion of a "distressing misunderstanding", which was "very annoying" hardly seems adequate if the Queen's grandson had seduced and made pregnant her granddaughter. 

As to the difficulty of hiding such a thing from the public - this was common practice among European royalty in those days.  I know of several similar instances. The royals only spoke about such things among themselves, official birth records were disguised or omitted, and private persons were blackmailed into silence.

Well, yes, Princess Thyra of Denmark was a case in point.  But her mother took her to Athens with the cover story of an illness, where she could be carefully hidden from public view, while Ella was certainly not hidden; she went with her family to Eastbourne that summer where she would have been perfectly visible to the public, and visited the Queen at Windsor where she would be surrounded by the huge royal retinue including hordes of doctors, of whom there would be far too many to blackmail into silence.  Not at all the way to discreetly manage an illicit pregnancy.
They are doing a piece on the Russian Revolution and just got to the part about the IF. It's very interesting. Metropolitan Hilarion who was interviewed said 'There is a very strong chance the Church will recognise the so called Yekaterinburg remains as the bones of the Royal Family'.

So, i dont know why now i found this Information...

Here i have some new and interesting Facts about Irene from the german book" Prinz Heinrich von Preußen" from Ernst Diedtrich Baron v. Mirbach

i translate from german to englisch

: Princess Irene and Henry fell in Love at the Wedding from Victoria & Louis Battenberg. (so  4 years later they married)

But her great social commitment left her little time for painting, riding and playing the piano, her favorite pastimes.

The sailor's house in Kiel was actually her work, although she also gave praise, thanks and recognition to her husband.

(what i think ist sad...she did so much, i think if Henry ever thanked Irene for her Support.

While Prince Henry was in East Asia, Kaiser Wilhelm II authorized the trip abroad for the Princess Irene. On December 17, 1898, the Princess arrived in Hong Kong with a small retinue, where for two months she lived in a mansion made available to her and her husband. Also in Tsingtau she preferred the stay on land opposite the ship. "But whether on board or in the country, everywhere she found herself in the best of moods in the often primitive conditions and won the hearts of all who came in contact with her." Prince and Princess made excursions like riding, Heinrich showed her the beautiful landscape.

On top of that, this trip to the Far East had another benefit for the princess (except to see her husband), she learned to ride a bicycle in Tsingtau, a sport that in Germany was extremely improper for a princess.

On April 29, 1899, she started the journey home.

(What was really interesting, that after the stay the princess became pregnant .. on 9 January 1900 she gave birth to the youngest son Heinrich.)

Similar to the poplar Prince Heinrich, they also have various anecdotes about his wife, most of them in Kiel.
The architect Hulbe describes in his memoirs that his mother, before Christmas 1919, was desperate for her father-in-law's art shop because she could not buy a Christmas tree anywhere. Coincidentally, the princess, who was present in the adjoining room of the shop, heard of the difficulties and promptly sent a stately tree from Hemmelberk.

4. After the assassination of the Tsar's family, the pair of princes heard that Anna Anderson was showing up, but of course they did not give up hoping that it could be Anastasia. Undoubtedly, the princess and her lady-in-waiting made their way to the car before they drove off. The prince (who for health reasons could not join) came back to the car and said, "Ninchen, if she is, bring her right away."(so she should bring Anastasia back to Hemmelmark)

Nicholas II / Re: A Film, a Vandalism and a Hero: Killing Nicholas II again
« Last post by TimM on November 17, 2017, 07:58:09 PM »
I wonder what colour the sky is in that world?
Jews are no better or worse than anyone else. However, Jewish law puts human life above all and a bit in me hopes that Jewish value for the sanctity of life would inhibit them from acts of such brutality.
I've learned that I am wrong. This is the cause of my strong reaction to Jewish behavior during that time.
Perfect depictions there Sophie. I’m trying to think of something else that would offer a similar experience but nothing really comes to mind. Perhaps something futuristic to them, like television?
Having Fun! / Re: Coloured Pictures XXXVII
« Last post by edubs31 on November 17, 2017, 05:11:34 PM »
Wonderful Ally! Just look at those two!
Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Last post by GDSophie on November 17, 2017, 04:32:15 PM »
So Olga had bad eyesight if she was visited multiple times by Alexandra's ophthalmologist during 1902. Did they improve after 1902?

The doctor continued to treat Olga in the Alexander Palace and Peterhof later in 1902 and after.


Until to a certain year or until they placed under house arrest/headed to Tobolsk?
January meeting with Queen Olga - cold rooms! - Royal Palace, Athens Greece

Letters of Queen Olga

Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alexandra and her Health Part 2
« Last post by Joanna on November 17, 2017, 10:19:11 AM »
So Olga had bad eyesight if she was visited multiple times by Alexandra's ophthalmologist during 1902. Did they improve after 1902?

The doctor continued to treat Olga in the Alexander Palace and Peterhof later in 1902 and after.

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