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Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« on: January 28, 2004, 02:49:57 AM »
Did Empress Alexandra have an affair with Rasputin?
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2004, 10:13:07 AM »
Absolutely without question 100% NO.

As I stated in another thread, the reality is that Rasputin and the Empress were never ever once alone together.  There was no way for this as the Empress was never without her body guards outside of the Palace, and we know from Palace records that they were never alone together on those few occassions when Rasputin had an audience at Court.  There is no single shred of genuine fact to support this silly rumor.

These were just ridiculous rumors from the time, which sadly became believed as true because so many people repeated them, and then by totally made up books written in the 1920's by people cashing in on the interest at the time.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2004, 12:42:25 PM »
Even had there been an opportunity, Alexandra was so religious that I don't believe she would have had an affair. She already thought she was unworthy which was why god wasn't answering her prayers about Alexei.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2004, 08:35:20 PM »
The reason why people believed that she had an affair with Rasputin was that she was desperate.  She was also a deeply religious woman but she was also feeling very hopeless.  I dont doubt her sincerity to the Tsar.  She was a good wife and an excellent mother.  Why she was desperate? Because of Alexei.  Rasputin was a immoral man and even if she was not alone with him, just being with him was enough.  It did the damage and Alexandra's already weak reputation was further damaged and those who were against her, it gave them another reason to criticize her. Now what i mean by reputation is the general opinion of the masses, they did not respect her because she was German by birth. Though i too believe that she did not have an affair with Rasputin.  Whatever the truth all this did a lot of damage.
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2004, 08:35:43 PM »
Alexandra having an affair with Rasputin?? NO WAY!!  I believe that this was revolutionary propoganda at its best in attempts to embitter the people against the Empress. As evidenced by the many letters of the Tsarina to the Tsar published on the Alexander Palace home page, Alexandra was deeply in love with her husband and would have never  considered such a thing as an affair with Rasputin.  I also believe that Alexandra viewed Rasputin as a purely holy man sent from God to protect her son and husband.  Being as religious as she was, she would have never even considered a physical affair with a man of God. And I highly doubt that Rasputin would have jeopordized his position by encouraging a pyhsical relationship with the Empress.  

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2004, 03:19:50 AM »
Agreed.  But you cant rule out her believe in Rasputin because her weakness was her son Alexei and Rasputin knew that.  Though i too believe that she did not have a physical relationship with Rasputin but she was influenced by him.  She loved her husband with all her heart.  Rasputin was an evil man and he should've had a horrible death.  
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2004, 09:32:21 AM »
I don't think so, she was deeply in love with Nicky!The Russian writer Edvard Radzinsky thinks she had an affair. Because of some letters they found she wrote to Rasputin. I think you have to see this in the context of the time they lived in. People used different words and looked at things in so many other ways as we do now a days. Alix even wrote to Nicky,( when he was in Stavka)
that she was afraid to invite Rasputin to the palace when he was not there, because of the gossip. What made me think , is the role Ania Vyrubova played.
She adored Alix, but also Nicky. Was she in love with him? And did Alix knew??? Would like to know how you people think about this topic.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2004, 01:11:21 PM »
Ok I agree all of this hate against Alexandra was due to the propaganda against her, She lived a Secluded life in Tsarko selo, I can understand that the people, who did not have much contact with the Royal family, could believe all the gossips, and blame  Alexandra for everything that was happening.
I was reading a letter from Princess Zinaida Yussupova  to her son Felix, and  from the context, I could  get that she also beleived Alexandra was to be blame for what was happening in Russia she said "Nothing can be done unless the book (Rasputin) be destroyed and Valide (The Empress) be tamed".
Now, I know that at a time, Alexandra and Zinaida were friends, so she knew the empress, and The Dowager Empress, Grand Duchess Vladimir and Princess Yussupova Ruled  St. Petesburg's  High Society. and the three of them had reasons to beleive  Alexandra was to be blame too. Could they also be wrong?. Could it be that Also St. Petesburg's High society, and people who had access to the Empireal court was mistaken too??
I find that very difficult to beleive...
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2004, 12:52:11 AM »
Empress Vicky was apparently underwhelmed by Alexandra's charms as a young woman and according to Catherine Radziwill remarked upon the engagement of Nicholas and Alexandra, "Alix is very imperious and will always insist on having her own way, and she will never yield one iota of the power she will imagine she wields; I use the word 'imagine' advisedly because my niece is given to very exaggerated ideas as to her own cleverness and importance"...  It is obvious that there were certain character traits and emotional tendencies formed very early on and by the time Rasputin came along Alexandra was well into hysteria and ripe for exaltation/exploitation.  

(not to mention that it was common at the time to treat the various physical and mental ailments she suffered from with opiates and hashish based teas and oils - lord knows how hopped up she may have been at times and with what results...in fact, Rasputin had given Nicholas hashish tea for his nerves and at the time of his abdication, he was being treated with cocaine for something or other) There obviously came a point where it was just too late for clear thinking.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2004, 12:31:26 AM »
I was flipping through some of the Romanov coffee table books I have and a thought occured to me (certainly not an original one, I'm sure).  While MUCH has been written of the genuine, long-lasting, passionate love of Nicholas & Alexandra, their beautiful children and whether or not Alexandra's dislike of her role as Empress and her reliance on Rasputin, etc...contributed to the downfall of the monarchy, I began to think of another thread. Could she have actually (for all their love) have been a bad wife to Nicholas. There were SO many photos of Nicholas with his various family members (Russian, English, Danish, Greek) where he is so happy and relaxed and had such close relationships. While no doubt with his relatively early ascension to the throne his uncle's would've tried to bully him as they did, would family relations have deteriorated so disastrously without Alexandra? She seems to have over the years gradually "weaned" Nicholas from any family contact except their own private circle. She began close to some (ie Xenia) but gradually withdrew, she had her sister there for support and there were certainly many Romanovs she could've brought into her circle (maybe like Mavra?) while forcing Miechen to the sidelines. Visits to Denmark began to peter out (even before the 2nd Queen Louise of Denmark begun to discourage them) and she looks miserable in them. I find this so surprising considering a)she came from a large family mob and b) many of Nicholas's relatives were also her own. She even began to distance herself from her own siblings to an extent. I was surprised upon review to see how few photos after about 1900 there were with family members--they're almost all of the immediate family. Even as early as 1896 Queen Victoria began to notice an unattractive standoffishness in Alexandra during her visit to England. And she made such a bad Empress (and I say this, believe it or not, as a fan of hers)! I know people will say she was shy, etc...but having just read a bio of Queen Mary, I was struck by their similarities in character (and in both having an overbearing, bossy, mother-in-law), yet Mary rose spectacularly to the occasion. Granted England was much more stable than Russia and Mary had more time, but why couldn't Alexandra have done the same? She certainly had a husband who was 100% devoted and doting but she seemed to use this almost against him to nurture the worst in her nature rather than the best. I was also reading some of Minny's letters to Nicholas where she seems excited at the idea of welcoming a daughter-in-law. Yet, instead of reaching out to Minny in her immediate bereavement and understanding the difficulties in suddenly switching from Empress to Dowager, Alexandra seemed to feed her own insecurities of her position and things immediately got off to a bad start. Just think of the success she could've been if the warmth, etc she showed to a select few she could've shown to more and perhaps had tried to take some of Minny's advice rather than regarding her as interferring. I think this all shows a spectacular selfishness on her part that helped lead to disaster for them all. Just my own observations and I would love to hear ALL opinions people have on this. As I said, I am a fan of Alexandra's and maybe that's why this is making me feel so sour--I really think with her beauty and happy family life, if she'd gone about things differently, she had such potential to be such a successful and popular Empress.
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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2004, 12:49:14 AM »
It will take thousands of words to adequately reply to your posting, Grandduchessella! And it's a bit late for me, so I'm going to supply only a few of them.

Alix certainly had an intense personality, shaped both by genetics and by environment. She was shy, and she did isolate--as much as she possibly could. And yes, she could be frosty. But Nicholas knew about her intense, self-conscious demeanor when he married her.  I think the long line of difficult pregnancies, yielding girls only, and then the short-lived triumph of giving birth to a son, followed by guilt, fear and secrecy. . . well, that would be the last straw for just about anyone.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2004, 06:46:24 AM »
I think that if Alix had had more time to adjust to everything maybe things could had turned out differently.But unfortunately with Alexander III's death Alix was just thrust into the thick of it without any time to cope and get used to her new life.Being the shy person that she was this must have been really hard for her.

I agree that maybe if she had done things differently things might have been somewhat different,but it's hard to say.I really don't think Nickolas being a "weak" ruler had much to do with anything Alix did.He just really wasn't prepared to become Tsar,and I feel most of the fault in that lays with his father.But then no one expected Alexander to die as soon as he did so maybe they thought there was time to prepare Nicky for his future role.But I don't think the blame for this can be put on Alix.

The what if's aren't going to change anything so to me they no longer matter.The only thing I feel I can do as a person is try to understand why Alix did things the way she did,to try and understand her.If I was in her shoes I don't know how I would have reacted or what I would have done.I wish I could go back in time so I can talk to this wonderful lady.So i can know her thoughts and feelings and to understand her as a person.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2004, 07:27:41 AM »
I agree that we can feel affection for Alix while also realizing that she was an imperfect human being and did have her faults, without always having to make excuses for her (as tempting as it may be). To reply to your main question, I think that overall she was a very good wife to Nicholas, she was supportive, she was devoted to him, she was his confidante, and she was his best friend. Besides that, she of course also had a deep, everlasting love for her husband.

In my opinion, the worst that could probably be said about her actions as a wife was that in the last years of their lives - i.e. the WWI years - she seems to utterly nag at Nicholas in her letters. She says he should do this or that, he should be stronger and firmer, she doesn't like this or that person, etc. Her advice is constant throughout her letters and this must have exasperated Nicholas at times, for all his patience and love for her, as in one letter he even replied to her with a rare show of annoyance and irritation. I know that she was just trying to help him, but it is annoying to have someone constantly tell you how to act and how to be, when you can't change the way you are, so this behavior is my only criticism for her as a wife.

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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2004, 11:50:09 AM »
When you have your health, you have--if not everything--then quite a lot. After a good night's sleep and the knowledge that an entire nation is not judging me or creating expectations around me, I feel reasonably okay. . . but Alexandra, for all of her priviledges, didn't have it nearly so easy. Moreover, sleepless nights and poor health were only the half of it. Imagine living your life in a fishbowl--not the fishbowl of current times, certainly, but nonetheless in fishbowl around which numerous family members, courtiers, politicos, society types and even the folks watching you ride by in your carriage are all too willing to pass judgment on you.

I agree very much with the previous postings. And here goes the "if" game again, but if the Russian infrastructure--on all levels: political, economic, social, etc.--had been stronger and Nicholas had not been deposed and he and his beautiful family not met such a horrible fate . . . well, you and I might be discussing Alexandra, but certainly with not such fervor. Among Queen Victoria's grandchildren and indeed any of the other royal families of the time were personalities that also could be held up to close and equally critical scrutiny. Beginning with the announcement of her engagement, however, Alexandra has been singled and put on display and review by anyone who could wield a pen/keyboard.  

Yes, she did "nag." But she was a strong woman, and she wanted to preserve the throne for her son. She loved her husband without reservation while at the same time understanding that her strengths were not necessarily his.  Nicholas, in turn, relied upon her strength much of the time, but was also quite capable of listening to his wife and then making his own decisions. It is a credit to Nicholas and Alexandra, separately and as a unit, that in spite of those who tried to lure Nicholas into relationships with other women, he remained steadfastly faithful to his wife.

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Re: Alexandra's Personality Traits - Good & Bad
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2004, 02:39:50 PM »
I agree that Alix was a "bad" empress but one has to define what bad really means in this context. Her great failure was not to promote herself to the people. It was  absolutely not her character and nature to do so, of course, and this is the tragedy. We all know how she loved the Russian people but they never knew because she did not make it clear to them. Whether one likes it or not, public relations has always been a necessary means to sustain power and to win people's hearts. Unfortunately, Alix never understood this. She was too private a person to be a suitable empress, and in this context, to  unsuited to be the wife of an emperor.