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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2007, 06:11:14 PM »
I think they are both Charming. The first one is more Representative of how her Sons would choose to remember her from the pictures they chose at the Memorial. But the Second one reminds us of the young wistful Diana. I think it reminds me of the interview during the Engagement when the Press asked if they were in love. And Diana at nineteen answered "of course." ::)

 . . . And Charles said: "Yes, whatever love is."

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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2007, 10:06:07 AM »
I think they are both Charming. The first one is more Representative of how her Sons would choose to remember her from the pictures they chose at the Memorial. But the Second one reminds us of the young wistful Diana. I think it reminds me of the interview during the Engagement when the Press asked if they were in love. And Diana at nineteen answered "of course." ::)

 . . . And Charles said: "Yes, whatever love is."

That isn't what he said.

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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2007, 10:11:38 AM »
This is what an online quote page had:

"Yes whatever that may mean."
Prince Charles
Asked if he was 'in love', after announcement of his engagement to Lady Diana Spencer
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2007, 10:15:08 AM »
How sad it is that Diana, Princess of Wales is dead. Her sons must think of her often and miss her terribly. Nobody has replaced her within in t he royal family.

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2007, 12:24:09 AM »
This is what an online quote page had:

"Yes whatever that may mean."
Prince Charles
Asked if he was 'in love', after announcement of his engagement to Lady Diana Spencer

I thought it was just "Whatever in love means". On any of the reterospectives about Diana's life that clip is generally played of her saying "of course" and him saying "whatever in love means". Most shows tend to cut off Charles' definition of just what he thought it meant.

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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2007, 04:35:38 PM »
Whatever it was, it sure meant the same thing.

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2007, 05:03:17 PM »
I am hoping this is the correct place to post my question....

Does anyone have any information regarding Diana's mother, Frances Shand Kydd?  I gather that she lived a very isolated life in her later years.  Did any of her children provide for her?

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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2007, 05:25:46 PM »
This is what an online quote page had:

"Yes whatever that may mean."
Prince Charles
Asked if he was 'in love', after announcement of his engagement to Lady Diana Spencer

I thought it was just "Whatever in love means". On any of the reterospectives about Diana's life that clip is generally played of her saying "of course" and him saying "whatever in love means". Most shows tend to cut off Charles' definition of just what he thought it meant.

Indeed, those are words that will forever be associated with Prince Charles and Diana's marriage. They are very quotable, and memorable, especially in light of what happened long after he said those words. Both his words and hers really show their respective attitudes/ expectactions going into that marriage: she was young and naive, and he was obviously more sophisticated and experienced. Most importantly, they both had different ideas of what their marriage was going to be and that should have been a red light then. I have always heard only the ''Whatever in love means'' version. I guess that's the version history will remember.
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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2007, 10:25:15 PM »
Does anyone have any information regarding Diana's mother, Frances Shand Kydd?

She was born The Honourable Frances Ruth Burke-Roche in Park House at Sandringham. Her father was Edmund, 4th Baron Fermoy, a friend of George VI. Her mother Ruth was a confidante and lady-in-waiting to Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. In 1954, aged 18,she married John Spencer, Viscount Althorp (12 years her senior) at Westminster Abbey. Elizabeth II and Prince Philip were amongst those in attendance.

The Althorps had 5 children: Sarah, Jane, John (who died within 10 hrs of birth), Diana and Charles.

The media made comparisons between Lady Althorp's and Diana's lives, because both were inexperienced young women thrust into the spotlight by unhappy marriages to older men in higher stations. Diana resembled her mother in appearance and character, as well. "I've got what my mother's got. However bloody you're feeling you can put on the most amazing show of happiness. My mother is an expert on that," Diana was quoted as saying.

In 1967, Frances ran off with Peter Shand Kydd. Subsequently, she was named "the other woman" in Janet Shand Kydd's divorce action. The Althorps were divorced in 1969. The divorce was quite bitter & Frances was vilified and ultimately lost custody of her children. Diana later told Andrew Morton that "The biggest disruption was when Mummy decided to leg it. That's the vivid memory we have the four of us (including her brother and two sisters). ... People took sides. Various people didn't speak to each other...it was a very wish-washy and painful experience."

Frances married Shand Kydd in 1969 and the couple lived on the remote Scottish island of Seil. Much against her wishes, she was forced into view following Diana's marriage. The Shand Kydds separated in June 1988 after he left his wife for a younger woman, and were later divorced. Frances blamed the media attention for the breakdown of the marriage. "The media descended here 16 years ago and have never left me since," Shand Kydd was quoted as saying in 1997. "I've now accepted they never will...I think the pressure of it all was overwhelming and finally impossible for Peter". Peter died in 2006.

In 1996 Shand Kydd was banned from driving after being convicted of drunk-driving, but denied she had a problem with alcohol. She and Diana quarrelled in May 1997 after she told Hello! magazine that Diana was happy to lose her title of "HRH" following her divorce. During the trial of Paul Burrell, Frances had to admit that they hadn't spoken in the months prior to her death and that her letters had been returned unopened.

She remained elegant and well groomed, but showed increasing evidence of the strains of her public role. As well as her rumored trouble with alcohol, she suffered a car accident and also the theft of jewellery from her home. There was further controversy when Frances and her daughter Sarah were accused of disregarding the Princess's wishes for her godchildren. The accusations made by Mohammed Al Fayed caused her a great deal of pain. With these troubles, she increasingly relied on her home & its close-knit community which helped her cope with her inner demons. Friends say this last phase gave her the most satisfaction and a degree of peace.  As she became more frail her life became one of increasing solitude. She converted to Roman Catholicism and devoted herself to Catholic charities.

She died on 3 June 2004 following a long illness that included brain disease, Parkinson's disease, and brain cancer at the age of 68. Her funeral at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Oban was attended by many of her children and grandchildren, including Princes William (who gave a reading) and Harry. The Roman Catholic Bishop of Argyll and the Isles, the Right Rev. Ian Murray, said Shand Kydd was a "deeply spiritual woman."

She managed to cause controversy from beyond the grave with the papers reporting on diaries and interviews that she supposedly left behind which revealed a great deal of bitterness except towards her grandsons. She described Harry as a "rascal" and said William would have to learn to adapt to dealing with the media." Charles, however, provoked her ire. "He acts like a spoiled brat! He's depressed? Good!" she said.  She did concede that the Prince suffered over the death of his grandmother. She told the journalist: "He was distraught at Mountbatten's death and his grandmother's. It shows who really brought him up." In a different conversation, a year after her daughter's death, Mrs Shand Kydd reported that she had not heard from "the boys" - William and Harry. She said: "He [Prince Charles] thinks he can be both mother and father."  Significantly, the diaries reveal that Mrs Shand Kydd did not subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Diana had been murdered. She said it was "crap". And she dismissed the contention that Diana did not get on with the Queen. Mrs Shand Kydd apparently said: "It's b***s to say the Queen and Diana did not get on. They had a lot of mutual respect and admiration."
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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2007, 03:05:45 AM »
I am hoping this is the correct place to post my question....

Does anyone have any information regarding Diana's mother, Frances Shand Kydd?  I gather that she lived a very isolated life in her later years.  Did any of her children provide for her?
I do not think any of her children had need to provide for her...Frances was comfortably off and lived a modest life..and inherited substantial sums ( by normal if not royal standards) she had no need to be financially helped.

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« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2007, 07:56:04 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2007, 11:49:06 AM »
I find Lady Fermoy an interesting lady, very old school. Does anyone know how her relationship with Frances was in later years?
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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2007, 08:53:02 AM »
I don't think it ever recovered after her betrayal of her own daughter.

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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
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Re: Princess Diana - Part 2
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2007, 06:51:26 AM »
Hmmm, I'm not sure whether I will invest in that book.......... :-\
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