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Remains of Maria
« on: August 24, 2007, 01:11:57 AM »
It will be interesting to have further information on the female remains discovered alongside those which are said to be those of Alexis. It should be possible to obtain information on whether the female remains are those of Maria or Anastasia by height difference one would think. The Russians have always said that Anastasia is already buried therefore it would seem the new remains are those of Maria.

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 02:18:59 AM »
Accounts of what happened in the celler say Maria was shot in the thigh, so according to this, Maria was in the grave.

But here's something I never thought of before. Others probably have, but I've never seen it discussed. How well did the shooters know each person? They could have shot one girl and mistook(is that a word?) her for another daughter.  ???

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 08:40:16 AM »
I think we have all been along this path before.

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2007, 12:07:22 PM »
I have always doubted the shooters could tell one girl form another by name. Most of them were Letts, not even Russians, and I doubt most poor Russians in outlying areas could have told all the girls apart either. They didn't have all the books and pics we have today, or even the postcards available in St. Petersburg or Moscow. Most Russians knew the Tsar's picture but I'd say most only saw the girls' pics, if ever, in the 1913 tercentenary portrait. This is another reason I have doubted so many 'survivor' rumors about people saying they saw the girls. I don't think they'd have known if they did.

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 12:16:59 PM »
Well the survivor stories all display a complete and utter lack of knowledge of russian history so what can you expect? They are all so ridiculous like those who tell them.

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Re: Remains of Maria
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2007, 12:19:53 PM »
I have always doubted the shooters could tell one girl form another by name. Most of them were Letts, not even Russians, and I doubt most poor Russians in outlying areas could have told all the girls apart either. They didn't have all the books and pics we have today, or even the postcards available in St. Petersburg or Moscow. Most Russians knew the Tsar's picture but I'd say most only saw the girls' pics, if ever, in the 1913 tercentenary portrait. This is another reason I have doubted so many 'survivor' rumors about people saying they saw the girls. I don't think they'd have known if they did.

Even in this day and age, with all the books and pictures, it's sometimes hard to tell which is which. At least it is for me.

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Re: Remains of Maria
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2007, 12:29:04 PM »
It is not difficult to work out who is who in the Romanov family if you make a study of them.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2007, 12:33:36 PM »
Exactly, if you've been looking at those pictures for a while, it's not hard anymore probably, but I doubt any of the shooters would have been in that case.

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2007, 12:38:43 PM »
Yurovsky knew them well over a period of time. As for the rest they had their orders to shoot to kill and that is what they did and they also used bayonets. The job was completed and nobody survived, period.   

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2007, 10:02:04 PM »
Yurovsky knew them well over a period of time. As for the rest they had their orders to shoot to kill and that is what they did and they also used bayonets. The job was completed and nobody survived, period.   

Well said.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2007, 10:07:34 PM »
1- Demidova
2- Botkin
3- Olga
4- Nicholas
5- Anastasia (or Maria)
6- Tatiana
7- Alexandra, but she is not there
8- Kharitonov
9- Trupp

Anyone know why some circles are black, others white?
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2007, 10:21:25 PM »
Thanks for that. I knew number 4 was Nicky.   Because it said he was shot in the heart.

I am wondering why Anastasia/Maria doesnt show that she was shot in the head.  Or is it cause the skull is to badly damaged to see.
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Re: Remains of Maria
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2007, 10:46:32 PM »
they all died ... its very easy to understand

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2007, 10:50:23 PM »
I have coloured and labeled all the diagrams so everyone knows who is who. Thanks Clockwork.
Dmitri if your going to keep being saracastic then stop it please.   How would you like to be held captive and then watch your family being shot. 




Sorry the names didnt come up the way I like it.  Here is a link if that is the case :D

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Re: Remains of Maria
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2007, 12:11:31 AM »
This has all been stated before. The information is readily available.