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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #165 on: September 14, 2007, 02:20:37 PM »
Who was "Mr. X"?
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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #166 on: September 14, 2007, 02:42:57 PM »
Bear,
So long as APTM users are forbidden to pull quotes from the King and Wilson forum over here, we must ask that YOU stop placing any material posted here over on the K&W forum, specifically including quotes from me, and press releases translated specifically for OUR users here. Thank you for your cooperation.

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O-kay-doe-key.   I will not quote you or anyone without their permission from here to there or there to here from this day, Friday morning,  14 Sept 2007, f orward.

For those who find something over on King and Wilson of mine,  and,  you'd like me to repeat it here I'll be more than happy to repeat it here for farther discussion. 

AGRBear

Now I am totally confused.  :)
I thought that the FA said anything posted on a public forum was fair game to be posted elsewhere. For the record, I will follow the rules. I would just like to say that this is the Internet and stuff gets cut and pasted all over the place all the time.
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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #167 on: September 14, 2007, 06:50:02 PM »

...[in part]...

To be honest, Bear you DO have an agenda and have said so since day one. Your family story is that someone survived, so clearly you DON'T believe that they all died.  You question EVERYTHING that supports all the family being murdered at every turn. Heck, I remember somewhere on the other forum your saying something to the effect that "this old Bear would NEVER believe a word the Russians said" about the recent findings.

BEARS ANSWER: My agenda,  as you care to call it,  is quite different than most people's.  I was told a story when I was about 4 years old,  about  1947, which told me the events which occured to Nicholas II and the others on the night of 16/17 July in the Ipatiev House .  [When I remember where the post is,  I'll bring it here so everyone can read it.]  When I was  in High School , about 1956 o 1957,   I discovered the story  I had been told about the events of that eventful night  were different than what was in the history books.  For the last forty-some  years,  I've been trying to understand why anyone would tell a four year old such a story which was  accurate to a point and then be so completely wrong and then accurately tell me where the nine bodies would be found and that two would be missing.   

FA,  I told this  story  how I became interested in the  IF  when I first joined the forum so  this isn't anything new about me. 

Just because I was told a story doesn't mean  that I  want it to be true.   As I have stated many times,  I don't care where the truth takes me,  I'm just interested in the truth and enjoying the journey.


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...How about this Bear? For the RECORD state your position clearly and precisely here and now, of what you actually believe, think and have to say on the subject, then everyone will be on the same page.


BEARS ANSWER:  Of course I can.

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1, Do you believe that anyone escaped alive in Ekaterinburg? yes or no.  If yes, WHO. 

BEARS ANSWER:   I have no evidence that  Nicholas II and the others escaped  execution on the night of 16 July 1918.

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1.5  If believe Anastasia survived, since you already admit she was NOT Anna Manahan, then who do you believe she was?
BEARS ANSWER:  I  have no evidence that  GD Anastasia or  GD Marie survived.
BEARS  ANSWER:  If  AA wasn't  FS,  then I haven't  the slighest idea who AA was.


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2. Do you believe that the remains discovered previously in Ekaterinburg were the Imperial Family.
BEARS ANSWER:  Yes.

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3.  Do you believe the recent discoveries are the missing children? If not, why not?
BEARS ANSWER:   Why would I come to the conclusion that  the missing children have been found on 29 July 2007 before the test results  are announced?    

 While we are waiting for the results:   I  do have a train load of questions.  If you want me to list some of  the questions I've mention over on that other forum,  I'll be happy to do so.   But,  I didn't think you wanted any kind of  discussion here.   Was I mistaken?

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anyone else care to add questions for Bear to answer so we can all understand her position better?


Does anyone have any other questions?   

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #168 on: September 14, 2007, 06:56:26 PM »
I wonder what other myths will come out?

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #169 on: September 14, 2007, 06:59:46 PM »
Very good politician's responses, bear, a lot of skirting the direct answer. But it does seem like you are still saying that while you have no proof anyone survived, you are not ruling it out. Is that so?

You also seem to not believe the new bones are those of the children. Is this because of the legend in your family?

Bear, you continually argue against any evidence that AA was FS, even the DNA. Why are you so sure she wasn't FS?

Since the DNA proved that AA wasn't AN and was 99.9% proven to be FS, what are your reasons for continuing to post things that seem to be saying that AA was not FS? Do you doubt the DNA tests or feel them part of some conspiracy? If not, why do you still not accept them?

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #170 on: September 14, 2007, 07:46:13 PM »
Who was "Mr. X"?

I labeled the man who told me the story as Mr. XXX because I never knew who he was accept that he was a friend/ acquaintance of my grandfather.

I never saw  this Mr.  XXX, again.

I always believe if I ever saw a photo of him that I will reconize him but  after all these years,  I'm not so sure anymore.

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #171 on: September 14, 2007, 08:09:18 PM »
Will someone else please ask bear the questions I have posed to Owl and Eeyore, (remember that song?), since she is obviously ignoring mine?

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #172 on: September 14, 2007, 08:21:42 PM »
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 While we are waiting for the results:   I  do have a train load of questions.  If you want me to list some of  the questions I've mention over on that other forum,  I'll be happy to do so.   But,  I didn't think you wanted any kind of  discussion here.   Was I mistaken?


AGRBear

Bear,
Thank you for answering your questions. I hope now everyone will be on the same page.  As for your questions about the recent discoveries, OF COURSE we want you to discuss them here, if you care to.  There is no reason why they should not be discussed here, if you wish it.  Please start an appropriate thread for any question you have.

FA

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #173 on: September 14, 2007, 08:37:08 PM »
...For the record, I will follow the rules.
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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #174 on: September 15, 2007, 11:58:19 PM »
I don't doubt your intentions, Bear.  I would have one comment - rather than a question about your statements.  Those seeking the truth, risk finding it!

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #175 on: September 16, 2007, 10:11:02 AM »
5{PrincessSophie link=topic=10082.msg285069#msg285069 date=1189918699]
I don't doubt your intentions, Bear.  I would have one comment - rather than a question about your statements.  Those seeking the truth, risk finding it!

Sophie
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It seems you and others still don't grasp the concept that I don't care where the truth takes me.  Why don't I care?  I'm  not afraid  of what I'll find.

Now,  as  FA has suggested,  I'll  start a new thread about the train load of questions I have about the  latest graves  found on 29 July 2007.

AGRBear
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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #176 on: September 16, 2007, 02:49:42 PM »
Bear:

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It seems you and others still don't grasp the concept that I don't care where the truth takes me.  Why don't I care?  I'm  not afraid  of what I'll find.

But the truth has already been found, and you refuse to accept it (DNA) Are you going to keep prancing in circles until you find the answers you like better though you never will? A long time ago I had a thread called 'The Truth- what will it take?' I still want to know.

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #177 on: September 16, 2007, 03:43:23 PM »
Bear:

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It seems you and others still don't grasp the concept that I don't care where the truth takes me.  Why don't I care?  I'm  not afraid  of what I'll find.

But the truth has already been found, and you refuse to accept it (DNA) Are you going to keep prancing in circles until you find the answers you like better though you never will? A long time ago I had a thread called 'The Truth- what will it take?' I still want to know.
Of couse the truth has been revealed to us. Yet, They continue to believe in what they want. How long will it take to accept the truth? good question Annie.

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #178 on: September 17, 2007, 01:04:07 AM »
5{PrincessSophie link=topic=10082.msg285069#msg285069 date=1189918699]
I don't doubt your intentions, Bear.  I would have one comment - rather than a question about your statements.  Those seeking the truth, risk finding it!

Sophie

It seems you and others still don't grasp the concept that I don't care where the truth takes me.  Why don't I care?  I'm  not afraid  of what I'll find.

Now,  as  FA has suggested,  I'll  start a new thread about the train load of questions I have about the  latest graves  found on 29 July 2007.

AGRBear
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Bear, no need to react in this way.  The truth can be a two edged sword for anyone seeking it - not just you. 

Sophie

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Re: Reactions from those who believe(d) in Survivors
« Reply #179 on: September 17, 2007, 09:57:19 AM »
...For the record, I will follow the rules.
Lexi

I hope that you will honor your promise here. Thank you.

Margarita


Do you have any reason to think that I wouldn't Margarita? Or are you just being catty?
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