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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #165 on: August 16, 2007, 06:15:28 PM »
Everyone is going to believe what they want to believe. Look at you, you only use a few words of my post in a misleading way. We don't know all those 'sacred' quotes from "Riddle of Anastasia" were accurate or truthful, either. The only hardcore evidence is the DNA and you, Bear, refuse to accept it.
She sure does refuses to accept that fact that we have DNA as a major evidence it is realy sad that she does not want to accept the fact. Anyway Bear believes that everything has to be accuate first before it is right to believe it. Actaully in some cases you do not have to know if some things are either accurate or inaccurate from other books and website , becuase you have other hardcore evidence to suggest if it is wrong or right. Anyway since you keep on talking about their heights that means it must be that you do not believe in the DNA or simply refuse to believe in it.
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« Reply #166 on: August 16, 2007, 06:26:35 PM »
Very true. If she really accepted the DNA she still wouldn't be talking about height.

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« Reply #167 on: August 17, 2007, 01:17:58 AM »
very true .. any old red herring will do to try to deny reality

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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #168 on: August 17, 2007, 08:46:17 AM »
Now,  that certain misinformation has been disclosed,  let us see what facts we do have  up to the 8th of March 1920 about FS that we can agree?

Date of birth: 

AGRBear's quote:
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>>>1896<<< 
Date  of birth: 
16 Dec 1896 "in Bororwihlas, a small town in Kashubia, one of the Polish Provinces at that time forming part of the German Empire."  When a German Province it was part of Pomerania-Kasubia.  See on modern map the area near Pozan [Posen]  / Wladyslowowo, Poland.   


Can we agree on this?

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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #169 on: August 17, 2007, 09:16:17 AM »
Post #16 in Annie's thread called "Franziska--and interesting story on her own"

>>>1896<<< 
Date  of birth: 
16 Dec 1896 "in Bororwihlas, a small town in Kashubia, one of the Polish Provinces at that time forming part of the German Empire."  When a German Province it was part of Pomerania-Kasubia.  See on modern map the area near Pozan [Posen]  / Wladyslowowo, Poland. 

See my message on Borowy Las:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,620.msg257373.html#msg257373

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>>>ca 1902/3  to ca 1912<<<
FS attended school and for some of the time or all of the time was in "Bytow, quite some distance from her family's house"

Bytw is about 13 miles (21 km) from Borowy Las (as the crow flies)...

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« Reply #170 on: August 17, 2007, 09:45:30 AM »
Thanks, Bear. 13 miles is hardly 'quite some distance' for a commute by today's standards, but back then it was if you didn't have a car. It would take you all day to walk that distance and back.

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« Reply #171 on: August 17, 2007, 10:02:35 AM »
...[in part]....

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"Bororwihlas" is absolutely wrong. Correct polish spelling is: "Borowy Las", and Kashubian: "Brw Las".

As far as I remember "Borowihlas" (without second "r") was a germanized form (phonetically written) of "Borowy Las", but "Borowihlas" does not mean anything in German while in Polish "Borowy Las" means 'an impenetrable/ancient coniferous forest'.

Borowy Las (Polish)
Borowe Las (Kasbubian)
Borowihlas (German)
Bororwhlas

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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #172 on: August 17, 2007, 10:49:50 AM »
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  Do we by any chance know what the population of this village was back in the late 1800's/early 1900's? If it was relatively small, I bet that cousins often intermarried... Is 'Bororwihlas' the correct spelling? It doesn't look right...

That is the spelling I got from Massie....

MY ERROR: I misspelled  the village name.  I left out the "i".

Should be "Bororwihlas"  as found in Massie's book  THE ROMANOVS, THE FINAL CHAPTER.


And,  yes,  Annie,  13 milies does seem like a long way to walk. 

It would take me a couple of days with a lot of stops. 

In those days,  people were use to walking distances,  so,  how long would it take to walk 13 miles at a normal pace (not in a hurry /  not running)?

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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #173 on: August 17, 2007, 12:17:36 PM »
Pictures of FS's family:

To save you the trouble of thread hopping, here are the photos you asked for, P_M:

Gertrude Schanzkowska Ellerik in late middle age:
 

Maria Juliana:

Felix Schanzkowski (taken some time in the 1950's):


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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #174 on: August 17, 2007, 12:32:12 PM »
The topic is Franziska Schankowska - get back on track AGR Bear or is that impossible for you?

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« Reply #175 on: August 17, 2007, 12:58:01 PM »
Bear the topic is not about FS family it is about FS herself. Please get back on topic why do those pictures have to do with FS I mean their her family but it is suppose to be about her life.

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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #176 on: August 17, 2007, 08:48:29 PM »
It looks like Bear has lost the plot, again.

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Re: Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #4
« Reply #177 on: August 18, 2007, 02:42:46 PM »
The above are photographs of  the children of Anton Schanzkowsky (Schanskowski) and,  I believe, are important to FS's Timeline  since they are family. 


Updating Family chart  (18 Aug 2007):
   
Anton Schanzkowsky m. (1) to 1890 to Josefina Peek  
 Issue:  [unknown]  
 
   
Anton Schanzkowsky m. (2) 1894  to  Marianna Wiscek~   b.  1866.   Marriage ended in divorce abt 1910/1912.  Both remarried.  [Marianna  remarried to ___NN___] about 1913/14    Believed she died about 1927/28.
     Issue m. (2) are:  
    1. Martin Christian S. b. 16 November 1895  
    2. Franziska S.  b. 16 December 1896 [date from Penny and Berlin police records]  also listed in some books as  22 December 1896, baptized 24 December 1896  
     3.*  Gertrude S.  b. poss. 12 Nov  1898 m. ____ Ellerick
                  Children:
                    1) Gertrud Ellerick m. __ Maucher  Child was:
                                (1) Carl Maucher +
                    2)  Hedwig Ellerick m.  __ Lander
                     3) Margarete Ellerick+    [no marriage]
                    4) Magdalene Ellrick m. __ Weber  Child was:
                                (1) Herbert Weber
    
    4.  Michael S.  b. 16 December 1899  
    5.  Valerian S.  (AKA Walther) b. 25 April 1901  
    6.  Felix S. b. 17 February 1903  
    7. Juliane Marianna S. (AKA Maria Juliana) b. 30 April 1905

      Five survived to adulthood.  
   
 ---  
Anton Schanzkowsky m. (3)?? to  ___NN3___    
 Issue:    
   1. [unknown]    
 
NOTES
*Gertrude S.'s official birthdate unknown;  GS's birth and baptism records  are not found in   places  were other  siblings or other members of the  family are found; however, Gertrude did tell people her birthdate was 12 Nov 1898 which would place her  as child #3 
+ DNA tested
~ mtDNA  family lineage of FS

? Waltruat Schanzkowska:  Massie's book has a quote of hers which tells us FS was her "auntie".   Who's daughter was she?  Her mother's name?

Any corrections or additions at this time???

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« Reply #178 on: August 18, 2007, 02:50:01 PM »
I think Waltruat (is that pronounced Wall Trout?) is Felix's daughter. It doesn't matter that she didn't know her 'Auntie', she heard the tales. In my family, I could write whole screenplays on the relatives- and even family neighbors- I have heard the old folks tell tales of even though I never personally met them. And it also doesn't matter if a person looks like their siblings or not, it doesn't mean they weren't related. I don't look like any of mine, and my two kids look nothing alike and you'd never guess they had the same parents. That pic of Felix is blurry, it looks like if it were clearer, he might have FS's lips and chin. Karl Maucher resembles a young AA.

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« Reply #179 on: August 18, 2007, 03:00:10 PM »
I think Waltruat (is that pronounced Wall Trout?) is Felix's daughter.
...[in part]...

Since Massie called her  Waltraut  Schanzkowsky,  I assumed she was the daughter of Felix or Valerian.   Where did you find this information?   I thought it was Massie but he just tells us where she lived at the time  when he gave her quotes  about her "auntie" which are so often repeated.

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