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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2007, 04:31:26 PM »
Thank you, what an impressive list of experts and credentials. Now that we know their names, anyone who suggests they will be faking or tampering the results is openly insulting them and making accusations.

Rob has asked that this topic not be used for discussion of the discovered remains. It is a FAQ. Please discuss elsewhere.

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2007, 04:51:15 PM »
Thank you Lisa. I have removed the OT postings.  Again, this thread is ONLY for official publications or announcements of the details of the investigation and the analysis of the remains. DISCUSSION about them is to occur in other threads, please.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2007, 07:23:17 AM »
This morning, Friday September 28, 2007 a media Conference was given by the assistant Director of the Sverdlovsk Forensic Medicine Bureau Vladimir Gromov. He announced the preliminary findings of the 2007 excavation remains.

They examined the 6 whole teeth and one tooth fragment. Silver amalgam fillings were found embedded in these teeth analogous with the dental work of the teeth identified in the 1991 excavation remains.



In addition, of the 48 bone fragments, 29 are not able to be identified at this stage. Many bone fragments are less than one gram in weight. Traces of gunshot wounds were also found on bone fragments.

These initial macroscopic observations are the first of many investigations to be undertaken in the next several months.

In addition Gromov has also announced that negotiations are proceeding with international DNA specialists to participate later in this Inquiry.

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Re: The Imperial Children's Remains Discovered FAQs. Please Read!
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2007, 08:54:55 AM »
The Russian Church has announced it will re-examine its stance on the remains of the Imperial Family if these forensic analysis identifies them as those of the missing children, see paragraph below I have highlighed:

Bones Likely Belong to Czar's Children, Experts Say (Update1)
2007-09-28 08:43 (New York)


    (Adds date of DNA analysis in third paragraph.)

By Henry Meyer
    Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Forensics experts in the Urals city
of Yekaterinburg said bone fragments unearthed in July probably
belong to the missing son and daughter of Russia's last czar,
Nicholas II.
    Experts concluded ``with a high degree of probability'' that
the bones belong to Czarevich Alexei, heir to the Russian throne,
and Grand Duchess Maria, Vladimir Gromov, deputy head of the
Sverdlovsk Regional Bureau for Forensic Medical Analysis, which
examined the remains, said by telephone today.
    Forensic specialists will begin DNA testing next month to
establish the identity of the remains with greater certainty.
Gromov said the condition of the bone fragments, badly damaged by
extreme heat and possibly acid, will make this difficult.
    Experts are comparing the bone fragments against samples
taken from nine skeletons uncovered in 1991, including those of
the czar, his wife Alexandra and three daughters.
    The latest bones were discovered near Yekaterinburg, where
the royal family was executed by a Bolshevik firing squad in
1918.
    A preliminary analysis showed that the remains are
consistent with the age and gender of the czar's hemophiliac son,
Alexei, and daughter Maria, who were born in 1904 and 1899
respectively, Gromov said.
    Nicholas II ruled Russia from 1894 until he was forced to
abdicate in March 1917. The family was later sent to the Urals by
the provisional government and held after the Bolsheviks seized
power in October 1917.
    Most of the bodies were soaked in acid and dumped down a
mine shaft, while those of Alexei and one of his sisters were
burned and buried, according to notes by Yakov Yurovsky, the
leader of the family's killers.

                         Remains Exhumed

    Part of the royal remains were exhumed in 1991 and reburied
in the former imperial capital, St. Petersburg, in 1998.
    The Russian Orthodox Church, refuting the scientific
findings, doesn't recognize the remains buried in St. Petersburg
as those of the royal family and refused to attend the reburial.
   Archpriest Georgy Mitrofanov, a member of the church's
canonization committee, said today the church was prepared to
review its stance on the bones found in 1991 if the latest
remains are found to be authentic, Interfax reported.

    U.S. and possibly Canadian experts will assist in the
continuing forensic work, Gromov said.

--Editors: Henry (jjd/jjd)

To contact the reporter on this story:
Henry Meyer in Moscow at +7-495-771 7729 or
hmeyer4@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story:
Edward Buckle at +49-30-70010-6225 or
ebuckle@bloomberg.net;
John Deane at +44-20-7673-2285 or
Jdeane3@bloomberg.net.

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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007, 09:38:46 AM »
Thanks Margarita and Rob for the updates. It all seems to be falling very much into place. It's really quite fascinating. We live in interesting times as the old Chinese proverb goes.

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2007, 12:28:22 PM »
This is wonderful news! If the bones are matched to the others, and even the church accepts them, I hope that will finally be the end of the story of what happened to the family.

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2007, 01:18:35 PM »
A gentle reminder to our members - this particular topic is intended to be a FAQ and not a place for discussion. I can understand the news of the possible resolution of this case may have caused some to forget this momentarily. I do ask that everyone place their comments on these developments on other topic areas.

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2007, 09:10:33 PM »
A few clearer images of two of the teeth as shown on one Russian TV news service today September 29, 2007:




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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2007, 09:15:31 PM »
An image taken from Russian TV news showing one of the bones being examined. The charring effect can be readily seen.



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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2007, 09:31:15 AM »
STOP AND I MEAN STOP POSTING COMMENTS OF ANY KIND IN THIS THREAD. THIS THREAD IS STRICTLY FOR THE NEWS RELEASES REGARDING THE REMAINS.

IF YOU POSTERS, SUCH AS NOBLE DESCENDANTS PARTICULARLY, DO NOT STOP THIS BEHAVIOR I WILL LOCK THE THREAD AND WILL FORCE POSTERS WHO HAVE NEWS UPDATES WHICH BELONG HERE TO REQUIRE ME TO UNLOCK THIS THREAD TO POST, WHICH WILL DELAY THE AVAILABILITY OF THE INFORMATION TO ALL THE USERS.

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2007, 08:47:50 PM »
October 3, 2007

[ITAR-TASS Urals]

Today Nikolai Nevolin [Николай Неволин], the Director of the Sverdlovsk Forensic Medicine Bureau has announced that Professor Evgenii Rogaev [Евгений Рогаев ] from Moscow University has been appointed to conduct molecular genetics assays on the 2007 excavation remains. He will arrive in Ekaterinburg at the end of October.

Professor Rogaev’s appointment has been endorsed by representatives of the Romanov Family and the Russian Orthodox Church.

Professor Rogaev was one of the principle Russian geneticists who was part of the First Soloviev Commission in 1998 and a leading expert in the field of human medical genetics.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

In addition the following information has also been announced regarding the 2007 excavation remains:

• 5 bone fragments may belong to a female whose skeleton had almost fully developed.
• 4 bone fragments may belong to a male.
• The tooth fragments may belong to a male, 11 to 12 years of age.

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2007, 10:25:35 AM »
Here is a video on the find from National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071001-tsar-video.html

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2007, 05:04:38 PM »
1 Oct 2007
Russian Newspaper:  Intefax

Interfax wrote  article on the new discovery  in which  the following is a part:



Since I don't read Russian,   I have been  told that this tells us that  the Russians are  indicating  the remains of the  female, Marie,  estimated height is 160 cm = 5 feet 2.5 inches  tall and that the male, Alexei,  estimated height  is  142-143 cm  or 143=  4 feet 6.9 inches  tall. 

I will take my remarks to the How Tall Was Alexei When He Died  thread.

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2007, 01:17:36 AM »
October 12, 2007

Ballistics Results on the Ekaterinburg 2007 remains

Senior Procurator Vladimir Soloviev, who heads the Second Ekaterinburg Inquiry has announced the following ballistics results:

1.  The remains show evidence that two Browning revolvers were used. One weapon was a 1903 issue. The second weapon was a 1900 issue.

2.  The bullets that were discharged from these two weapons were the same as those that were found at the 1990's excavation location which contained the remains of Nikolai II, Alexandra Fedorovna and the other members of the Imperial Family + staff.



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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2007, 05:10:56 AM »
The following statements (provided in part) by Prince Nikolai Romanov were published by Izvestya and Interfax today, Thursday 8 December, 2007 regarding the Ekaterinburg excavation remains:

http://www.izvestia.ru/hystory/article3110067/   and   http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=3905 

Nikolay Romanov believes in miracle of discovering the tsar's family relics near Yekaterinburg but calls experts not to do hasty conclusions

Moscow, November 8, Interfax - Tsar Nicolas II's grand-nephew Nikolay Romanovich Romanov is truly convinced that the children's relics discovered near Yekaterinburg in summer this year belong to prince Alexy and grand princess Maria.

"Certainly, it is miracle. I believe with all my heart that it is just so: The miracle has happened, and we will get the comprehensive witnesses that the tsar's son and daughter have been discovered," Romanov stated in the interview to the Izvestia newspaper published on Thursday.

At the same time he called experts to proceed identifications of the relics very thoroughly and not to do hasty conclusions.

"The most important thing is to get the true confidence. Either yes or no. There is no need to hurry. Now I have fully confidence to the investigation as I had it in 1998. We are ready to wait as much time as it may be required" - the representative of the Romanovs' House.



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