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Time and myths
« on: September 11, 2007, 12:57:05 PM »
I wonder how long it will take for the myths to fade? It would seem with the final exposing of the reality there will be little left to be of any interest. Myths need to be a touch mysterious to continue it would seem. Greek myths for example continue because perhaps there were just good stories and never based on any mortal reality.

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2007, 02:08:31 PM »
Thank you for starting this topic Dmitri, I agree myths should not be counted as the truth becuase I think that many are starting to think that myths are truth. But realy they are not. Legends aren't true either. I realy think that Myths have an big effect and impact on time. But think about it, sometimes myths can be what is passed on and on by generations and centuries and it continues to be in time so long. It is not like it can control time it may cause time to react in some different way but it still should not be expressed as the truth. As for these myth survival stories about the romanov surivors I think those myths should not discussed about becuase it is false information that is not the truth and it should not be mentioned in history or remembered in time. I know others want to continue to believe in it then thats their opinion they choose to believe it even if many inform that it is not true, but still it should not be repeated constantly over and over again I think thatg is should be mentioned one once in time.

I think that we can not question time when myths will fade becuase we are unsure and time will reveal to us when the myths will fade.
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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2007, 07:41:07 PM »
I am hoping these new bones will finally put and end to the myth but I don't think so, there are too many who want to keep it alive. It's strange how AA has developed her own cult following where nothing can shake the faith of the supporters. I will write more on this later.

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2007, 07:44:58 PM »
yes cult is an interesting description

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2007, 08:06:21 PM »
Yes Annie is right there will be still people out there trying to keep the myth alive it is very said even if the facts have been proven trueI am sure someone will ignore them and start believing in what they want to. It would be hard to put an end to the survival stories ,becuase many continue to deny that and try to prove what they think is true. It seems almost impossible to try to get them to end the descussions on Anna Anderson. It would take a long time to the discussion of myths to end even if it was completly proven true. It is all in a matter of time.

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2007, 08:51:31 PM »
They will never end.  Joseph Campbell wrote about "The Power of Myths".  Already, those who insist the myths have always been true are already preparing the ground to dispel any new results. It will always be some "russian government conspiracy" or false DNA testing or intentionally placed bones or whatever.

Occam's Razor will never come into play with these nearly delusional souls who cling to their fantasy.  The simplest most elegant solution will never be true for them. conspiracy will reign and they will denounce us all who accept the truth.

Such is Life.


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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2007, 09:48:42 PM »
It's hard to imagine in another generation anybody really caring about such myths.

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 12:34:52 AM »
They will never end.  Joseph Campbell wrote about "The Power of Myths".  Already, those who insist the myths have always been true are already preparing the ground to dispel any new results. It will always be some "russian government conspiracy" or false DNA testing or intentionally placed bones or whatever.

Occam's Razor will never come into play with these nearly delusional souls who cling to their fantasy.  The simplest most elegant solution will never be true for them. conspiracy will reign and they will denounce us all who accept the truth.

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How farcical are they to create their own conspiracy theories to maintain their daily amusement and know exactly what the results should reveal before all the investigations have been completed.

What folly!

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 02:43:40 AM »
Well Shakespeare wrote : Lord what fools these mortals be

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 08:15:57 AM »
They will never end.  Joseph Campbell wrote about "The Power of Myths".  Already, those who insist the myths have always been true are already preparing the ground to dispel any new results. It will always be some "russian government conspiracy" or false DNA testing or intentionally placed bones or whatever.

Occam's Razor will never come into play with these nearly delusional souls who cling to their fantasy.  The simplest most elegant solution will never be true for them. conspiracy will reign and they will denounce us all who accept the truth.

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Campbell is one o my favorite authors.
Yes, myths endure. After all the Christian myth has a man god has survived for 2,000 years.
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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 11:42:53 AM »
I have been following along here with great interest.
I would like to add my two kopeks.
I would hardly classify Anna Anderson as a myth and I doubt Joseph Campbell would either.  Myth is from the Greek word mythos which means story or word. Myths are cosmogonic in nature and address the origin of the universe. In a myth, part of the world view of people emerges. To quote Campbell: "Myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human manifestation... (Hero with a Thousand Faces). To classify Anna as myth gives her way to much importance. I think these distinctions and definitions are important if part of the mission of this forum is to educate.
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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 03:26:11 PM »
I In a myth, part of the world view of people emerges. To quote Campbell: "Myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human manifestation... (Hero with a Thousand Faces). To classify Anna as myth gives her way to much importance. I think these distinctions and definitions are important if part of the mission of this forum is to educate.
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Lexi, I respectfully disagree with your last statement in part.  To classify Anna Manahan the WOMAN as a myth, I agree with. However, and my point, which I see now wasn't clear, is that the story that a young woman or her sickly hemopheliac brother survived the bloody murders in the basement in some miraculous fashion IS a myth worthy of Campbell's words.  Just look at how many people pour such inexhaustible energies into the HOPE, nay beleif, nay CONVICTION that somebody lived through the massacre that night.   Is Anna Manahan the person anything more than the merest blip of a footnote to the story? No, she is not. Is the STORY of survivors not myth-worthy? I think it is...

Just my own 2 kopecks.

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2007, 04:57:34 PM »
Time and myths is a good way to describe it. I think the whole story of survivors is a myth. Sometimes AA is called one as well, but most likely that is overstating it, although she is the first survivor that comes to mind when you think of the word '' survivor''. Myths are gong to be around as long as they have some power, and this one clearly does, even though there have been so many blows to it over the years. I am not much interested in Joseph Campbell, because he no doubt knew quite a bit, but what I associate him with is watching a boring long winded video in a religion class about myth and Joseph Campbell. It's too bad I have that association, as it seems from this thread he wasn't as boring as I thought.

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2007, 05:24:49 PM »
Sometimes AA is called one as well, but most likely that is overstating it, although she is the first survivor that comes to mind when you think of the word '' survivor''.

Only when it comes to the last Romanovs. There have been so many "claimants" and "survivors" and "pretenders" throughout history that AA is only a tiny footnote amongst them. It only seems like she is a major one because we are interested in the Romanovs and have been discussing her a lot, most "normal" people know next to nothing about her but may be aware of other "pretenders", like the various "dauphins of France" or Pugachev. It all depends on one's point of view :-).

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Re: Time and myths
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 02:39:29 PM »

Thank you FA. Respectful disagreement is always welcome and worthy of discussion.  I do respect your opinion. Let me ask you, do you think anyone will be discussing this story in say...50 years? What about 200? There are always stories of survivors. Are they all myth-worthy?
Respectfully,
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