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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2004, 03:11:04 PM »
I've dogpiled and googled and haven't found anything.  Personally, I think it's a crock (it was in the Globe afterall, and there isn't any mention of another child in N or A's diaries), but for whatever reason I find claimants to be quite interesting.

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2004, 03:27:18 PM »
Entertaining, perhaps is more like it.
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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2004, 03:56:21 PM »
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Entertaining, perhaps is more like it.


"Entertaining" is definitly the right word for it.

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2004, 04:33:22 PM »
Read the story, she claims to be IRINA!

edit: okay, I see, she was born in Ekaterinburg, Alexandra was 46 and in poor health, okay, whatever ::)

I'm surprised there were never claimants who said they were the child of one of OTMA and a guard. :-/
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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2004, 04:33:32 PM »
Hmmmm....OK that was interesting and briefly entertaining.
If she is supposed to be a Romanov,and a 6th child at that,why hasn't she,if she is still living had her dna tested to see if it matched the IF?Why hasn't her family had this done?

You'd think if she wanted to have her claim recognised and to have her rightful name restored to her she would have done this.

But since this was in The Globe I'll take this new "claiment" as just another wannabe. :-/
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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2004, 06:10:07 PM »
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Read the story, she claims to be IRINA!

edit: okay, I see, she was born in Ekaterinburg, Alexandra was 46 and in poor health, okay, whatever ::)

I'm surprised there were never claimants who said they were the child of one of OTMA and a guard. :-/


Yes, I'm the grandaughter of Marie and a guard.  :D But I don't post about here . . . I mean, I know the truth and that's all that matters.  ;D

So I'd appreciate being referred to as Alice Nicholaevna, thanks everyone.  ;)
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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2004, 09:23:17 PM »
 :o
Does anyone have this link to the website about her?

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2005, 12:20:45 PM »
She <Irina> looks very much like them--amazing likeness!  But where is the proof--why do all these claimants that are alive don't take the DNA test and let people know that it is not just another bogus claim?  The nowday technology permits it...Without it--the claim is nothing.  

Any more info on her?  What is her adoptive family name?  Does she has children?  

The only thing there is likeness--I do not know genetics enough to say if the nature can produce people who are so alike but not related--but children often look different from their parents!  Look at the Romanov family--does any one there looked like a dead-on copy of Alexandra?  I do not think so;

Besides, the story is hard to beleive--how is Romanovs could have another daughter without any sources mentioning that Alexandra is pregnant?  No diary records, no mentioning by family and friends--and how they concealed it from soldiers?  

My impression was that they hoped for the best and endured the rough treatment but still did not expect the end they met--if they suspected that new regime wanted to kill them, they would at least try to smuggle the children out--to seek some escape--even if kids were ill with measles at the time;  I do not think they comprehended the gravity of their situation--so I do not think they would go to extra super unhuman lengh to conceal another pregnancy and childbirth in captivity.

Suppose --as unprobable as it sounds--A. was expecting and they did managed to conceal it  --and the daughter is born and only family --not captors --know about it--how she was smuggled?  The German cousin came?  How he managed to get close to them and where he came from?

The story frankly does not hold at all;  Even if I really wanted it to be--but it really does not;  

Any thoughts?  I did a search and there is nothing on her;

May be considering the likeness, she is some relative?    

What do you guys think?  Keep on posting!  Thanks,  ???

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2005, 06:27:45 PM »
Very good points Sunnyluv. Another thing: why would Alexandra suddenly be pregnant? She goes almost 14 years without having another child and poof! in 1918 she's pregnant? Undoubtedly Alexandra and Nicholas were sexually active, but why now, in the worst possible place, would she want to have a child or even attempt to? Why would they be having one anyway at this time? Almost all their children are fully grown-why have another? I doubt it would be for companionship or something to love. There was no need for an heir anymore. So why? Even though this "Irina" person does look like Alix, the story doesn't fit. Unless she was raped by the guards or something, it doesn't seem plausible.  ::)

They also made a mistake in that article. She would only have one brother, not brothers.
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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2005, 07:42:41 PM »
Irina looks more like Alexandra than AA looks like Anastasia, I think.

If someone wanted to be a child of the Tsar, it seems that person would pick a better month than April 1918. If it was April, it would have had to occur early because she'd have to be capable of traveling  with Nicholas II to Ekaterinburg at the end of that same month, 13/26 April.

A new born infant would have more than complicated the travel.

How free were the Romanovs in Tobolsk?   I've forgotten how far they could walk... I think they were able to  go to church?

A small infant would be easily passed to other hands.

There was never mention of hiring another servent, someone who could have been a wet nurse  in Tobolsk or Ekaterinburg.

Anyone notice any difference with Alexandra in photographs...? Are there any when she standing...?

Was the date O.S. or N.S.?  If old style, she could have been born in March....

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2005, 02:29:20 PM »
AGRBear, you don't think this woman is a serious claimant do you?
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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2005, 03:05:28 PM »
I always give the claimant the benifit of the doubt and let the investigation of the  truth run it's course.

At this time, I don't see a lot of proof being presented, just an old newspaper clipping with very little information.

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2005, 04:19:55 PM »
Am I wrong or this woman was a claimant in the 70's?  Is she still with us and still a claimant?  The article was done long time ago--at this time Romanov remains were not found yet and DNA test was not as easily taken as they are now--still not so easy.  
Based on the likeness of her to Alix, I would consider it is an interesting lead--even if she is not with us any longer, I hope there is still a chance to do the DNA and find out who she is and how she related to the family if she is related;  

But how to find her?  There is no info on her--probably she went unnoticed before we got our web connections;

B.t.w.--I love your point about Tobolsk--about freedom of movement and going to church--if there was some freedome there, then I wonder why did they not try to escape--or smuggle their kids out with someone--did not they get the feeling of danger to their lives?

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2005, 04:48:21 PM »
I don't think she looks like Alexandra. It's hard to say anything based on one faded not-quite-focussed photo.

The Imperial family went to Church in Tobolsk, but under guard. There was no real freedom of movement for them, and neither had there been since the revolution and imprisonment at Tsarskoe.

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Re: Investigación Anastasia. Argentina
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2005, 05:10:51 PM »
Considering that this article is from the Globe (one step up from Weekly World News) I doubt that this was a legitimate claim.  I wish it were, it is an interesting tale.  However, since no further noise has been heard from this person, I doubt the story's authenticity.