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Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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« Reply #255 on: June 29, 2010, 09:16:18 AM »
The English speaking commentators are going to use the appropriate English translation of the names, noting a British historian - pronouncing every vowel, etc.

Your statement makes no sense, as the English translation of Sachsen is Saxony and pronouncing the final e in Saxe is faux French.

Never mind Scherbatskaya! How do you pronounce Karenina? And is it [Obb-lonn-skee] or [Obb-lonn-skI]?
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Karenina:
Russian pronunciation: [kɐˈrʲenʲɪnə]
English pronunciation: [kəˈrɛnənə]
Thus stress on the second syllable in both cases.

Oblonskiy:
I presume it's pronounced something like /abl'onskʲɪ:/


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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #256 on: June 29, 2010, 09:36:08 AM »
The English speaking commentators are going to use the appropriate English translation of the names, noting a British historian - pronouncing every vowel, etc.

Your statement makes no sense, as the English translation of Sachsen is Saxony and pronouncing the final e in Saxe is faux French.
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I do not see your point, FP.  English is English, German is German, and French is French.  The vocabulary, letters of the alphabet, and pronunciation of those letters are different with respect to each language spoken.

An example of English being spoken, may be with the word "aunt".  In America, people prononce it as, "Ant".  In England, "Aunt".  Both countries speak English.  England pronounces every vowel, Americans do not.

There is only one way to pronounce "Saxony" in English, however, there are many words in the English language that have more than one pronunciation.

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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #257 on: June 29, 2010, 04:01:27 PM »
Could anyone please tell me the pronunciation of "lapis lazuli".  Does is sound like ... Lapees La-zoo-lie, or Lapees La-zoo-lee?  Thank you.

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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #258 on: June 30, 2010, 01:25:56 PM »
I do not see your point, FP.  English is English, German is German, and French is French.  The vocabulary, letters of the alphabet, and pronunciation of those letters are different with respect to each language spoken
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There is only one way to pronounce "Saxony" in English

Yes, but there are two ways to say Sachsen in English: Saxony (from Latin Saxonia) and Saxe (from French, with a usage restricted the Thuringian Duchies). The pronunciation of Saxe as in Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was the issue that was debated.

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An example of English being spoken, may be with the word "aunt".  In America, people prononce it as, "Ant".  In England, "Aunt".  Both countries speak English.  England pronounces every vowel, Americans do not.

The word is written with two vowels, but neither the English nor the Americans pronounce two vowels or a diphtong. In most English dialects it's [ɑ:nt], in American English it's [ęnt]. In both cases it's pronounced with a single vowel, a monophtong, that has equally little to do with whatever the spelling au represented in the Anglo-Norman the word and its spelling were borrowed from.

In short, a confusing example, as the relationship between spelling and pronunciation of vowels in English is very f***ed-up, to say it bluntly, like the example underneath shows:

Could anyone please tell me the pronunciation of "lapis lazuli".  Does is sound like ... Lapees La-zoo-lie, or Lapees La-zoo-lee?  Thank you.

Both forms are current: /ˈlępɪs ˈlęzjʉlaɪ/ or /ˈlęzjʉli/.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2010, 01:45:45 PM by Fyodor Petrovich »

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #259 on: July 08, 2010, 03:21:33 AM »
I now have it on good authority from a native French speaker that a liaison can only link a consonant to a vowel and not the other way around, and that Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha is pronounced /saks.ko.bur.go.ta/ in French.

On the other hand French tends to try to avoid three-consonant cluster like /saks.ko.bur.go.ta/.

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How do you pronounce this, please?
« Reply #260 on: July 27, 2010, 04:57:21 PM »
Hi everyone, just a quick question.



Ever since I've come interested in the Romanovs, I've been saying the Grand Duchesses' middle name NICK-OH-LAY-VEE-NEE-YA, but when said quickly it comes out NICK OH LAY VEE NYA

Anyway, I've recently read a post saying that it's actually pronounced "NICK OH LIE EV NAH

Is this true?
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« Reply #261 on: July 27, 2010, 05:02:26 PM »
Yes, AN. Nick-oh-lie-ev-nah is correct, at least I've hear like that so many times. In "Romanovy: A Crowned Family", they pronounce like this, and I took it as correct :)

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Re: How do you pronounce this, please?
« Reply #262 on: July 27, 2010, 05:13:05 PM »
Thank you! I think the "ae" from the Greek spelling confused me a bit!
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Forever cold and pitiless
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How sadly you would we

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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #263 on: July 27, 2010, 09:20:14 PM »
While we're here, how is Tsarskoe Selo pronounced?
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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #264 on: July 27, 2010, 09:33:47 PM »
I've always pronounced it Sar-co Seal-o... I could be wrong though!
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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #265 on: July 27, 2010, 09:40:34 PM »
I always pronounced the same way.  I wonder if that's the right way.
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« Reply #266 on: July 27, 2010, 09:45:58 PM »
Me too! I guess it's right...

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Re: How do you pronounce this, please?
« Reply #267 on: July 28, 2010, 06:34:39 AM »
Yes, AN. Nick-oh-lie-ev-nah is correct, at least I've hear like that so many times. In "Romanovy: A Crowned Family", they pronounce like this, and I took it as correct :)

Nick-oh-lie-yev-nah

Soften that second "e" by using the letter "y" before it.


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Re: Pronounciation
« Reply #268 on: July 28, 2010, 07:18:22 AM »
Thank you.
You are filled with anguish
For the suffering of others
And no one's grief
Has ever passed you by
You are relentless
Only towards yourself
Forever cold and pitiless
But only if you could look upon
Your Own sadness From a distance
Oh, how you would pity yourself
How sadly you would we

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« Reply #269 on: August 03, 2010, 09:39:43 PM »
 I've never been sure of how to pronunciate these two nicknames:
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