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Offline darius

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #375 on: July 21, 2012, 06:55:40 AM »
I think what Eric may have been trying to express was that he would like to see the little crown being used.  I however very much doubt that HM will ever use it.  Were the crown to get too heavy I imagine she would opt for the regal circlet as an alternative.  As Chris said, HM has had ample opportunity to wear the little crown over her reign but has never chosen to.

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #376 on: July 22, 2012, 06:57:54 AM »
On a purely technical point, as I have suggested in earlier posts, the small crown isn't actually easy to wear simply because it is light.  Queen Victoria clearly had some cushioning or padding simply to anchor it in place, and Queen Alexandra (the only other person to wear the crown I believe - but it would apply to Queen Mary also) had sufficient padding in her hair structure (Edwardian ladies' hair was pulled over 'rats' as hair pads were called, to obtain the necessary fashionable height and shape, and could provide a very strong base) to secure the crown effectively.  The present Queen's hair, although still reasonably plentiful, could not provide the sort of support and security for the little crown unless it was secured with some sort of band or secondary structure which might actually be visible or require hair extensions which would seem an awful lot of bother and not the Queen's style at all.   

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #377 on: July 22, 2012, 09:03:59 AM »
Thanks for the explanation. It is a good argument on why she has not chosen to to do so. I agree if it is not comfortable for her to use it, she shouldn't.

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #378 on: August 02, 2012, 07:43:42 AM »
I think that the other thing to add is that the scale of the crown may not work with the Queen's hairstyle.

As CountessKate points out, the last person to wear the crown was Alexandra (with great style it must be added) and it worked with her hairstyle, sitting atop her coiffure, which had largely remained the same style-wise since the 1880's.

In terms of the Queen choosing to wear something lighter as opposed to the Imperial State Crown, I'm not sure what the protocol would be.....thinking of the State Opening or Parliament etc?

Queen Mary of course had a new tiara made for her later years, perhaps finding some of her other pieces too heavy?  In the book there is a description of this jewel, and the jewels that were used to make it.  It would appear that she used the pendant Cambridge emeralds as spikes on this new lighter tiara (obviously also using them on the Vladimir tiara).

The book also gives new and interesting information about the Cambridge emeralds.  It also clears up the confusion about the fringe tiaras as well as giving interesting new information about how Queen Mary had new pieces created quite economically from existing jewellery in her collection.  The book only hints at what she may have acquired in the 20's when it appears that she really cashed in on the royal jewellery that was appearing for sale.  There are also some great pieces that belonged to Queen May which have languished unworn in the collection of the late Queen Mother, such as her diamond 'Love Trophy' collar, an exquisite jewel of wondrous workmanship, which has not been seen for years and years.  I think that many will find the information about the Greville collection quite interesting as well.  The photography is excellent and totally justifies the rather high purchase price of the book.
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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #379 on: August 02, 2012, 09:09:20 AM »
What is the name of the book ?

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #380 on: August 02, 2012, 10:13:36 AM »
Hi,

It is "The Queen's Diamonds" by Hugh Roberts...
Martyn is correct;  it is a very detailed work but quite expensive - $170.00 (Cdn)...

Larry

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #381 on: August 02, 2012, 10:36:08 AM »
It is...I see if I can find it in a bookstore.

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #382 on: August 02, 2012, 11:59:02 AM »
Has anyone seen The Royal Jewels (2011) DVD?

The personal jewels belonging to HM Queen Elizabeth far outshine any other personal jewelry collection in the modern world. At auction, the royal jewels could fetch an estimated $600 million. This fascinating documentary traces the history of the Queen's personal jewelry collection set against the background of hundreds of years of English royal heritage. It reveals a sensuous and profligate side to the sober Queen Victoria. Both she and her daughter-in-law, Queen Alexandra, received the finest gems from Indian Maharajahs - the tribute to Empire. Queen Mary's passion for jewelry was unsurpassed; she expressed herself through her mania for collecting. How did she wrest the Cambridge Emeralds from her dead brother's mistress? Did she acquire the jewels belonging to her exiled Russian relatives at a fair price? What jewels did the Duchess of Windsor get away with? Did Princess Diana and Fergie get a fair share? How does the Queen use her jewels? These are just some of the questions The Royal Jewels sets out to answer.This unique program focuses on glittering crowns and sparkling gems. Using some thoroughly researched archive material and well documented information, sequences are supported with contributions from a wide range of royal jewelry historians.

I'm thinking about ordering it.
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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #383 on: August 02, 2012, 01:12:08 PM »
That sounds fascinating GDElla.  I might well order that as well.

I honestly think that it is worth buying anything that pertains to the royal jewellery collection.  'The Queen's Diamonds' may well be the best authorised version that covers part of the Queen's collection - it may also be the last one.

We have to remember that this amazing collection may well be dispersed to some degree in the future.  Much of this amazing collection is the personal property of the Queen and she can dispose of it as she chooses.  It's certainly worth trying to see any exhibition of it, now or in the near future.

What is certain is that our next two successive monarchs will be male and whilst they both will have consorts, the role of the jewellery and its visibility may very change and possibly decrease.

Camilla of course quite clearly likes jewellery and seems to follow in the tradition of wearing it both for daytime, evening and gala occasions.  She seems to have a fine appreciation of grand jewellery and I think that it has been said that Charles enjoys seeing his wife thus bedecked, and has made significant acquisitions to enrich her personal collection.  She seems to be wearing pieces that have come from the Queen Mother's Collection, to great effect.

Is it known if the Duchess of Cambridge likes jewellery?  Thus far her jewellery has been very restrained and smaller in scale than some of the pieces worn by other royal ladies, perhaps reflecting her understated style and youth.  It would be nice to think that some day we may see this amazing collection of jewellery gracing her person at formal occasions....
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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #384 on: August 02, 2012, 01:48:33 PM »
I think the Queen is very careful with her family jewels. Most of the pieces that the Duchess of Cornwall or Duchess of Cambridge wore "borrowed" from the Royal Collection. She did not give away collections like her grandmother Queen Mary did with her daughter & daughter-in-law. In fact I think Princess Mary, The Princess Royal had a much bigger collection of jewels than Princess Anne. Not to mention the Duchesses of Gloucester (Alice) & Kent (Marina)'s collection outshone those of the Countess of Wessex.

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #385 on: August 02, 2012, 02:55:07 PM »
Well she may be careful with them, but she will doubtless wish to leave pieces to the female members of her family, the number of which increases as the years pass, which may effectively remove them from public view to a degree.
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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #386 on: August 02, 2012, 10:04:40 PM »
I hope so. I would hate to see Camilla getting everything, while other members remain jewel-less. Poor Kate had yet failed to appear with a tiara on. I do wonder why ?

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #387 on: August 03, 2012, 08:08:31 AM »
Hi,

It is "The Queen's Diamonds" by Hugh Roberts...
Martyn is correct;  it is a very detailed work but quite expensive - $170.00 (Cdn)...

Larry

Thank you Larry, sounds like a marvellous book! I have just ordered it, was only 39! :)
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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #388 on: August 03, 2012, 08:25:45 AM »
That is a steal...only in UK ?

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Re: Windsor Jewels Pt 7
« Reply #389 on: August 03, 2012, 12:43:18 PM »
I hope so. I would hate to see Camilla getting everything, while other members remain jewel-less. Poor Kate had yet failed to appear with a tiara on. I do wonder why ?

Well, she did wear on to her wedding.  I would MUCH prefer Camilla to get everything with a clause that ALL should go to the Royal Collection after her demise.  I dread the thought of historic pieces ending up on the heads of the tawdry York princesses.