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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2004, 08:25:05 PM »
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One more point. The mtDNA of AA matched Carl Maucher, the relative of FS, exactly, letter for letter over the entire strand.

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2004, 08:32:13 PM »
FA, thanks for such a basic, easy to understand explanation of the mtDNA findings.  I have never not believed them, but it is great to understand WHY the findings are conclusive, and how mtDNA works.

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2004, 09:16:22 PM »
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Helen A, did I get an A on my bio essay?? LOL.
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Good job explaning the basic concept of DNA, it really isn't that easy to explain without confusing people even more , which is what I found out lately!  :-[ Thanks.

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2004, 09:59:17 PM »
(Smiles and stands up)LOL

Hello, My name is Rskkiya and I have never believed in Anna Anderson being Anastasia Nicholevna...
(mutters of "hello rskkiya"...hm hmm) ;D

Seriously...
   I do respect those individuals, who in the absence of DNA evidence, made what they could of "ear structure", face shape and personal family knowledge to buttress their theory that Anna was Anastasia -- and regarding the known facts at that time they made a very viable and admirable arguement.
   With the DNA evidence - these other attempts no longer seem to work - but that should not suggest that I think that AA= AN supporters are stupid, pigheaded or deluded at all...I simply don't quite follow the logic of their continued "faith."  
    To me this all comes down to a "neo religiousity" a faith in certain things that still seem to begger basic scientific explanation...Why do some people still believe in UFO's being responsible for "Corn Circles?" Why do some people still doubt that astronauts visited the moon?
     Does this make my perspective any clearer?

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2004, 10:15:46 PM »
Did I understand correctly- 30 volumes of court documents- in GERMAN ? I shan't hold my breath waiting for THAT to be translated.
It does seem a bit odd, though that some sort of "condensed' version has not come about somewhere along the line.
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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2004, 10:21:01 PM »
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It does seem a bit odd, though that some sort of "condensed' version has not come about somewhere along the line.
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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2004, 10:24:29 PM »
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(Smiles and stands up)Seriously...
    I do respect those individuals, who in the absence of DNA evidence, made what they could of "ear structure", face shape and personal family knowledge to buttress their theory that Anna was Anastasia -- and regarding the known facts at that time they made a very viable and admirable arguement.
    With the DNA evidence - these other attempts no longer seem to work - but that should not suggest that I think that AA= AN supporters are stupid, pigheaded or deluded at all...I simply don't quite follow the logic of their continued "faith."  
    


rskkiya,

I understand exactly what you mean here, and a lot of what you said goes for me too. I guess I just don't understand the logic of it either.  ???

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2004, 10:32:59 PM »
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I understand exactly what you mean here, and a lot of what you said goes for me too. I guess I just don't understand the logic of it either.  ???


Add me to the "huh?" list too.  I too can respect their strong belief, as I once shared it, but I don't quite grasp it.  

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2004, 10:39:40 PM »
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rskkiya,

I understand exactly what you mean here, and a lot of what you said goes for me too. I guess I just don't understand the logic of it either.  ???


I think a lot of what Rskkiya goes for a lot of us,me included.I don't think any of us who have a understanding of the DNA evidence and the belief that it is correct understand this kind of logic Helen.It really just boggles my mind why some still believe eventhough the DNA argues to the contrary. :-/
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2004, 10:53:14 PM »
I think what it is is that (no offense to anyone in particular) they believe the tests were tampered with or rigged or that the sample from Anna was switched, which makes no sense either, because it was a close match with Maucher, and what would be the chances of this random person from the switch in Virginia matching some Polish guy?

The other thing I can't reconcile is the claims that her face completely changed after being hit by rifle butts. It would seem that if this was the case, it would look like a damaged version of Anastasia's face, not a completely different person's face with different bone structure ??? I just can't buy that. It's like when I was in fifth grade, and I had a white kitten with a yellow striped tail. I got him from the Humane Society and I'd only had him 2 weeks when my older brother accidently backed over him while I was at school :( Knowing I'd be heartbroken, my mother went back to the shelter to get one of his siblings as a replacement, but they'd already been adopted. So she got another kitten that had much more yellow on him than mine, and they tried to tell me that they took him to the vet and the medicine changed his fur color. I didn't buy that either :'(

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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2004, 10:55:44 PM »
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With the DNA evidence - these other attempts no longer seem to work - but that should not suggest that I think that AA= AN supporters are stupid, pigheaded or deluded at all...I simply don't quite follow the logic of their continued "faith."  


Thankyou, Thankyou, THANKYOU!

This is exactly my thoughts.

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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2004, 10:57:39 PM »
Oh, Annie. I could have gone the rest of the weekend without hearing that story.
[after I just admitted being a softie for pets on another thread].
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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2004, 11:06:12 PM »
Sorry Robert :'( I am a softie for pets too. And I have another sweet loving yellow and white kitty purring on top of my monitor right now:)

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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2004, 11:09:07 PM »
ok, I can smile again !
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Re: Passionate Beliefs
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2004, 12:41:45 AM »
Bobby, I can tell you stories about Helga if you want!  ;D