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Reply #60
« on: May 04, 2008, 10:42:22 AM »
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Update from Wikipedia:

Descendants of Felix and Irina are:

Princess Irina Felixovna Yussupova, (March 21, 1915, Saint Petersburg, Russia- August 30, 1983, Cormeilles, France), married Count Nikolai Dmitrievich Sheremetev (October 28, 1904, Moscow, Russia - February 5, 1979, Paris, France), son of Count Dmitri Sergeievich Sheremetev and wife Countess Irina Ilarionovna Vorontzova-Dachkova and a descendant of Boris Petrovich Sheremetev; had issue:

Countess Xenia Sheremeteva (born March 1, 1942, Rome, Italy), married on June 20, 1965 in Athens, Greece, to Ilias Sfiris (born August 20, 1932, Athens, Greece); had issue:

Tatiana Sfiris (born August 28, 1968, Athens, Greece), married on May 1996 in Athens, Greece, to Alexis Giannakoupoulos (born 1963), divorced, no issue; married Anthony Vamvakidis and has issue:

Marilia Vamvakidis (July 17, 2004)
Yasmine Xenia Vamvakidis (May 7, 2006)
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Reply #61
« on: March 15, 2009, 12:24:55 PM »
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Do u still need the meaning of Yusupov's coat of arms? i have some info about the meaning)
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« on: October 13, 2010, 12:35:47 PM »
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Do u still need the meaning of Yusupov's coat of arms? i have some info about the meaning)
Please share, that would be very interesting! The only quarter I can identify is the sixth (in the last version), the crossed swords on a field with flowers, which are the Sumarokov arms.

Thank you all for those wonderful images.
I am rather puzzled by the presence of a David's star in the Yussupov's coat of arms. Can someone enlighten me?

As David Pritchard has explained, the star is probably there because of Tataric ancestry, but a six-spiked Star of David is not that uncommon in heraldry. Just as in the original Yussupov arms, the comital arms of the Sumarokov-Elston's alleged Tiesenhausen ancestress also feature a golden Star of David (on a blue field) in the third quarter. (The same do the arms of the Baltic Barons Von Essen as well of course the canting arms of the Von Ungern-Sternbergs. That adds another dimension to a joke in interwar Germany: That the proto-fascist warlord Baron Roman, who chose to spell his name Ungern von Sternberg, was ungern von Sternberg, "not too eager on being of Sternberg", a typical Jewish surname!)
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« on: October 13, 2010, 02:46:32 PM »
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Well, this just gets intriguinger and intriguinger....

In his enormous Armorial, the great Dutch heraldist Rietstap has this entry:
"Elston Écartelé: aux 1 et 4, d'argent, à un rocher escarpé de sable; aux 2 et 3, d'azur, à une étoile d'or."
A golden star on blue!

Are these the first arms granted to Count Felix Nikolaievich Sumarokov-Elston né F. N. Elston? Or do they belong to some obscure British family?

It seems it's now an established fact that he was the illegitimate son of Baron Johann Aloys Josef von Hügel né Hügel and Countess Jozefa Forgách de Ghymes et Gács née Countess Andrássy de Csíkszentkirály et Krasznahorka.

Rietstap has two entries for Hügel:
"Hügel Écartelé: aux 1 et 4, de gueules, au lion d'argent, tenant entre ses pattes une fleur-de-lis du même, celui du 1 contourné; aux 2 et 3, de sable, à trois losanges d'or. Casque couronné.
Hügel Écartelé: aux 1 et 4, de gueules, à un dextrochère, armé d'argent, ganté d'or, tenant une épée du même, garnie d'or, mouv. d'une nuée; aux 2 et 3, d'argent, à un rocher isolé de trois coupeaux de sable, le premier coupeau supérieur au second, et celui-ci supérieur au troisième, chaque coupeau sommé d'un arbre de sinople, terrassé du même. Deux casques couronnés.
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If it's the second Hügel family, then note the similarity with the Elston arms: The rock(s)!

Curiously, the Andrássy arms also share some similarity with that second Hügel family!:

"Andrássy Écartelé: aux 1 et 4, de gueules, au mur crénelé au naturel, ouvert du champ., surmonté d'un dextrochère, armé d'argent, brandissant un sabre du même; aux 2 et 3, tranché de sinople, sur or, au griffon de l'un en l'autre. Sur le tout d'Andrássy, qui est d'azur à deux lions affrontés d'or, supportant ensemble une couronne du même. Trois casques couronnés."

But it looks like the second Hügel family is the baronial Württembergian Hügel family (originally called Lux), who nevertheless also had Russian connections, because Baron Ernst von Hügel fought in the Württembergian Army, thus on Napoléon's side, in the Battles Wagram, Smolensk Borodino etc.!
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« on: October 13, 2010, 03:28:23 PM »
Naslednik Norvezhskiy
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But it looks like the second Hügel family is the baronial Württembergian Hügel family (originally called Lux), who nevertheless also had Russian connections, because Baron Ernst von Hügel fought in the Württembergian Army, thus on Napoléon's side, in the Battles of Wagram, Smolensk Borodino etc.!

And his son Ernst Eugen married a (NB Russian connection!) Baroness Uexküll-Gyllenband. One of their sons in turn married (NB Hungarian connection!) the youngest of the morganatic children of Duke Alexander of Württemberg and Countess Claudine Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde: Amalie, Countess of Hohenstein, later Princess of Teck. (Her husband was elevated to Count of Hügel by the King of Württemberg.)

It seems it's now an established fact that he was the illegitimate son of Baron Johann Aloys Josef von Hügel né Hügel and Countess Jozefa Forgách de Ghymes et Gács née Countess Andrássy de Csíkszentkirály et Krasznahorka.
Oops, that should read: ...son of Baron Carl Alexander Anselm von Hügel..... (son of the former).

Oh, and it just dawned on me: Even though Felix Elston's paternal Hügel family wasn't the one with the rock in the arms, it would still be a canting hint to include a hill or rock in the Elston arms, as "Hügel" means "hill" in German!
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