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Offline Steven

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Beloselsky-Belozersky
« on: November 24, 2004, 07:35:05 PM »
I understand that a Princess Beloselsky-Belozersky married a New Yorker some time in the late 1960's. Does anyone have any more information on this?

Also, is this family extinct in the male line? Thanks

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 12:54:28 AM »
You are correct that the direct male line died out in 1978 with Prince Serge.  He married Florence Crane, an American heiress, in the 1940s which may be what you are thinking of.  

However, the family still survies through female descendants and other descendants not as closely realted.  One of Prince Serge's cousins was my grandfather.

Prince Serge's memoirs were published with forwards by Marvin Lyons and Baron Leonid Platonovitch von Wrangell.  I don't know that it was ever circulated much beyond the family and close friends, but you may be able to track it down on the internet.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2005, 03:00:24 AM »
If one of the two daughters of the Prince Sergei Sergeevich had a son, he could petition Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna to use the name, title and arms of the Princes Beloselsky-Belozersky with the addition of his paternal surname. A friend of mine who is a Russian nobleman, has done this with his son as the son's mother is the last of the Princely family of Turkestanov. When the mother passes away, the son will become Prince Turkestanov-Dumin.


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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2005, 04:30:44 PM »
Both of his daughters have sons.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2005, 07:49:06 PM »
Then the name, title and arms should righhtfully go to the eldest son of the first born daughter, that is if he wants to petition for this change to HIH Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna. If you have further interest in this topic, please write to me. I can scan one of these decrees for assumption of name, title and arms if you would like to see one.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2005, 04:30:34 PM »
Excusez moi, mais je reponds en Français.
Contrairement à vos dires, la famille Belosselsky Belozersky n'est pas eteinte. Les descendants du Prince Esper Constantinovitch vivent encore à Paris et en Finlande. Cette lignée est authentique, et personne ne peut donc prétendre à récupérer le nom.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2005, 12:32:04 AM »
Cher Stéphane,

Le prince Konstantin Esperovich Beloselskii-Belozerskii était né en 1843 et il mort à Paris en 1920. Il était un lieutenant-général dans l'armée impériale russe. Le général avait un fils, le prince Esper Konstantinovich qui était né dans 1871 et est mort en 1921. Le prince Esper Konstantinovich avait un fils aussi, le prince Konstantin Esperovich, qui est mort dans 1920. Mes textes généalogiques indiquent que ce fils n'a pas d'enfants mâles. Le prince Esper Konstantinovich a-t-il eu des fils ? S'il n'a pas fait, le représentant femelle supérieur est la fille aînée du prince Sergei Sergeevich, la princesse Marina Sergeova Beloselskii-Belozerskii. Avec la permission écrite de la grande-duchesse Maria Vladimirovna de Russie, le fils aîné de la princesse Marina Sergeova Beloselskii-Belozerskii peut prendre le nom de famille.

Amities et a bientot, j'éspere,

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2005, 04:34:24 AM »
Cher David,

Les textes généalogiques ne sont pas toujours complets, loin de là, et il ne faut jamais prendre les écrits comme une référence absolue.  Comme dans toutes les familles, il peut y avoir un secret que l’on tait   car sa divulgation peut desservir  parfois quelques intérêts…
Dans le cas présent, la certitude est que le Prince Serge Sergievitch n’a  pas eu de fils et que depuis  son  décès en 1978, la branche familiale  dont il était issu est éteinte.
Par contre, le Prince Esper Constantinovitch (1871-1921) fils cadet du Prince  Constantin Esperovitch a eu  de son premier mariage  un fils nommé Constantin (tué a Kiev en 1918) et d’une seconde union avec Madeleine MOULIN,  deux autres fils : Georges Esperovitch né à Saint Petersbourg le 12 novembre 1913 (décédé à Paris en 2005) et Paul Esperovitch né à Uusikirko (Finlande) le 12 juillet 1917. Il existe tous les documents officiels prouvant cette filiation. Georges a eu 5 enfants dont 3 fils. Paul à un fils.

Très cordialement

Stéphane

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2005, 07:52:46 PM »
Hi   ....   Who was Prince Andre  Beloselsky-Belozersky
born  in 1909 ?  My mother used to talk of him as well of one of my Uncle's who in fact went to school with him 1924-1928.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2005, 10:21:26 PM »
I have a  Rurik Geneolgy Chart it lists Ruriks Family name as Beloselskiy any one know anything of this? Also My masters Thesis included a translation of the construction of the palace Beloselskiy-Belozerskiy photo illustrated one may read this and view the fotos on my web site http://tour-russia.com under the menu tour russia museum

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2005, 01:47:24 PM »
Dear All,

While it is true that the senior male branch died out with the death of Sergei Sergeievitch, Prince Espere Konstantinovitch did have issue; two sons.  The current head of the house is, Paul Pavlovitch Belosselsky-Belozersky (dit Moulin, after his grandmother) Other males are his cousin Patrick Georgevich.  Michel and Stephane Georgevich are the junior members of his generation and his son Chris Pavlovich is in the next generation. Patrick's son Vincent and Stephane's son  Antoine are also the male continuation of the Belosselsky-Belozerskys.

The two daughters of Sergei Sergeievitch both have issue, male and female but do not lay claim to any title. There are numerous related famililes who are descended from female memebers of the B-B family, including the Kotschoubeys, the Orlovs, and others.

Many  thanks, and nice to be back!

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2005, 01:48:50 PM »
Oh, and the marriage in New York in the sixties would have been, I believe, Princess Marina Belosselskaya-Belozerskaya to her husband, Mr. Kasarda.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2005, 08:41:38 PM »
And good to see a familiar name back as well!  :D

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2005, 07:29:38 AM »
Dear Nick

Of the two children of Prince Esper Konstantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky, George (1913-2005) was the first son and Paul (1917-2005)  the second.  The current head of the family is thus Patrick Georgévitch and not Paul pavlovitch.


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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2005, 01:11:54 PM »
Dos anybody know where it can be found any information about.
Princess Elizabeth Esperovna Belosselsky Belosenky
i know that she lived between 1837 and 1907
but it woud be to mutch help if anybody knew about where some mote information coud be found about her,