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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2005, 07:02:25 AM »
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Dos anybody know where it can be found any information about.
Princess Elizabeth Esperovna Belosselsky Belosenky
i know that she lived between 1837 and 1907
but it woud be to mutch help if anybody knew about where some mote information coud be found about her,

Princess "Lise" born in 1834 was one of the  2 daughters of Prince Esper B-B and his wife nee Elena Petrovna Bibikova( who after her husband's early death married secondly a Prince Kouchbey).She married a Master of Ceremonies to the Tsar, Prince Troubetskoy. The couple settled in Paris under the 2nd empire.Lise,her sister Olga (Countess Shouvalova,later Madame Naryshkin)and their mother were all painted by F X Winterhalter.Princess Lise was mentioned in several books on grande dames of that period and there is a potted biography in the catalogue to a Winterhalter exhibition held in London & Paris in 1987/8 in which her portrait appeared ("Franz Xaver Winterhalter and the courts of Europe 1830-70". isbn 0904017834). Lise's younger brother Prince Konstantin Esperovitch B-B (died in western Europe in 1920)and his family (his 2nd daughter was Princess Olga Orlova see that thread)are mentioned in several threads here.Hope this is of some help. :)

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2005, 07:19:32 AM »
Yes thank you very mutch...

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2005, 07:59:26 AM »
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Dos anybody know where it can be found any information about.
Princess Elizabeth Esperovna Belosselsky Belosenky
i know that she lived between 1837 and 1907
but it woud be to mutch help if anybody knew about where some mote information coud be found about her,

Princess Lise's father Prince Esper Alexanderovitch B-B died in 1846 when his only son was 3 years old.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2005, 02:05:34 PM »
thank you. Your innformation is to great help

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2006, 11:05:17 PM »
Another interesting member of the Belozersky family was Princess Zinaida who was mistress to Czar Alexander I. She the daughter of Prince Alexander Beloselsky-Belozersky and wife of prince Nicolas Volkonsky. She was the host to many great people in her famous Salons. she later became a Catholic and died in rome revered as a saint.
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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2006, 12:26:15 AM »
Prince Aleksander Mikhailovich Beloselsky-Belozersky (1752-1809) was married firstly to Varvara Yakovlevna Tatishcheva, a union that produced one daughter Zenaida Aleksandrovna. He married secondly Anna Grigorievna Koznetskaya (1767-1848), a union that produced three children: Esper Aleksandrovich, Ekaterina Aleksandrovna and Yelisaveta Aleksandrovna.

Princess Zenaida Aleksandrovna Beloselskaya-Belozerskaya (1792-1862) marrried Prince Nikita Grigorovich Volkonsky (1781-1841), Major General in the war against Napoleon, Privy Councilor and Jägermeister at the Imperial Court. She created her famous salon firstly in Moscow in the years 1826-27, and entertained the likes of Puskin, Mitskevich, Baratynsky, Venevitinov and others. In 1829, she moved to Italy and established herself in Rome and became friends with Gogol.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2006, 12:36:34 PM »
Dear David,

One of the people associated with Zinaida was Leon Yoleivitch (Rabbi Moshe ben Zalman) who secretly became a Catholic in 1820. he had discussion with many prominent people in Russia. do you know anything about this? and what those discussions were about?

Of course the most famous people Zinaida was associated with in the Catholic world was the Ratisbonne brothers who she knew  and supported in Rome.
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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2006, 02:07:15 PM »
There was a biography of Zenaida published here in the UK ONLY ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO .Sorry have no details.Zenaida is also much mentioned in Christine Sutherland's biography of her sister in law Princess Marie Volkonsky ( the wife of the decemberist Prince Sergei)" Princess of Siberia".Zenaida's former Roman home is now the British Embassy.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2006, 10:44:26 PM »
Franz Winterhalter painted her portrait showing her to be of considerable beauty.

http://www.artunframed.com/images/winterhalter/eli831.jpg

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2006, 06:14:06 PM »
Is there any biography of the Princess?

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2006, 09:51:13 AM »
Hi,
There is a painting of Elizabeth Esperanza Belosselsky on ebay.  Copied from another more famous one by Winterhalter.
I have a note from Seirge Belosselsky of Paris and I know he was connected with Xenia in a round about way.
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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2006, 03:04:03 PM »
I've got two questions:

Did she had any children?
Where did she lived in Paris?

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2006, 09:42:44 AM »
Elisabeth Esperovna married a Troubetskoy, and lived in Kiev.  Her daughter Helene married Paul Pavlovich Demidov de San Donato.  (His mother was Finnish born Aurora Stjernwall, and known as Aurora Karamzin-due to her second husband)
Elisabeth Esperovna's daughter Helene and Paul Pavlovich Demidov de San Donato had a doughter Aurore, who married Arsene Karageorgevich, Serbian/Yougoslave crownprince.

Elisabeth Esperovna's mother was Elena PAVLOVNA Bibikova, who after both her first husband Esper Alexandrovich and second husband Kotchubey had died, became courtier in the imperial court.

(There are numerous good sources on the net on all the above; PS Elisabeth's home in Kiev is a yellow two story building, which today houses the city'e architecture museum-on St. Vladimir st. across from the St. Andrews' church on Andreyevsky "spussk").  Elisabeth was buried in Odessa.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2006, 10:22:30 AM »
Elisabeth Esperovna married a Troubetskoy, and lived in Kiev.  Her daughter Helene married Paul Pavlovich Demidov de San Donato.  (His mother was Finnish born Aurora Stjernwall, and known as Aurora Karamzin-due to her second husband)
Elisabeth Esperovna's daughter Helene and Paul Pavlovich Demidov de San Donato had a doughter Aurore, who married Arsene Karageorgevich, Serbian/Yougoslave crownprince.

Elisabeth Esperovna's mother was Elena PAVLOVNA Bibikova, who after both her first husband Esper Alexandrovich and second husband Kotchubey had died, became courtier in the imperial court.

(There are numerous good sources on the net on all the above; PS Elisabeth's home in Kiev is a yellow two story building, which today houses the city'e architecture museum-on St. Vladimir st. across from the St. Andrews' church on Andreyevsky "spussk").  Elisabeth was buried in Odessa.

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Belobelo
Auroura Demidov was the mother of Prince Paul of Yugoslavia..she died young having after having divorced her Serbian Prince and marrying a Italian nobleman..she had a sister Moura the childless Princess Abalamek-Lazarev