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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2010, 03:54:21 PM »
So does the odd double-barred name of this illustrious family actually mean "Of White Village - Of White Lake"?
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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2010, 02:42:46 PM »
It does literally, but the name rather derives from their original 13th century fief - the Beloozero principality. Its capital was the town of Beloozero (currently Belozersk), which in turn derives its name from the Beloe (White) Lake. The Beloselsky part was added to the name much later.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2011, 09:11:37 PM »

Princess Nadejda Dimitrievna Beloselsky-Belozersky with her daughter, Helena (Ella)

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2011, 12:58:32 AM »



Prince Konstantin Esperovich Belosslesky & his wife Nadezhda Dmitrievna Skobeleff



Group in front of the Belosselsky palace on Krestovsky c1870
Seated: (4th from left) Prince Konstantin Esperovich Belosselsky (5th from left) Princess Esper Alexandrovich Belosselsky (nee Elena Petrovna Bibikov) Standing: (2nd from right) General Sukhozanet.



1894 - the children of Prince Konstantin Esperovich Belosselsky. (left to right) Princess Elena Konstantinovna (later Princess Kotchoubey) - 1869-1944, Princess Maria Konstantinovna (later Hartmann) - 1883-1931, Prince Esper Konstantinovich - 1871-1921, Princess Olga Konstantinovna (later Princess Orlov) - 1871-1923, Prince Serge Konstantinovich -1867-1951


Source: Memoirs of Prince Serge Sergeevitch Belosselsky-Belozersky (preface by Marvin Lyons) published by Jacques Ferrand.  This can be bought from http://www.galignani.com/ if you are interested in it but you'll have to ask them about it as it's not listed on their site.


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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2011, 01:57:55 AM »


Prince Konstantin Esperovich Belosslesky & his wife Nadezhda Dmitrievna Skobeleff





Nadezhda was sister of famous Zenaida de Beauharnais, lover of GD Alexei Alexandrovitch. Thanks for the photo.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2011, 08:22:03 AM »
Quote from the wikipedia and other sources about Sergei Konstantinovich Belosselsky-Belozersky: "...the older son Sergei Konstantinovich (+1951), after an illustrious military career, including as a commanding officer of the Novorossiisk Dragoons, regiment of the Lancers of her Imperial Majesty, etc. fled with his family also to Vyborg at first (late 1917) and participated after this in the "White Movement" among other, as an advisor to General Yudenich, the commander of the Northwestern White Army (supported and financed by the British) and head of the Russian counter-revolutionary Northwestern "government", created with the help of Britain based at that time in Finland. In this capacity, he spent considerable time in 1918 in Finland as an envoy and liaison to General, later Marshal, Carl Gustav Mannerheim, a fellow-General and friend from the Russian Imperial Army who was the head of the White Army of Finland (in late 1880s Belosselsky-Belozersky and Mannerheim, as Russian imperial military officers, had been commissioned by the Chief of Staff to attend the top French military cavalry school together, and Mannerheim often was a guest of the Belosselsky-Belozersky family both on Krestovsky Ostrov, taking part in polo matches on the Belosselsky-Belozersky polo grounds on the estate as well as their homes in the city). Sergei Konstantinovich's attempts to persuade Mannerheim and the White Army of Finland to join the Yudenich army's attempt to take back Petrograd/St. Petersburg , failed (because of the key issue for Finns, centering around the recognition of Finland's independence; the Whites did not want change in "status quo" while the "Red" government recognized Finnish independence)..."

If this information is true, then my question to the serious Belosselsky-Belozersky family researches. Does anyone have any more detailed/documented information about the role of Sergei Konstantinovich during the Finnish Civil War (I've heard that he was even enlisted on the Lieutenant General's position in Mannerheim's headquarters), his later attempts to coordinate actions between Yudenich and Mannerheim in London to help the Russian White movement, and so on...? Unfortunately, there is very little information on this subject.
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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2014, 06:17:54 PM »
If possible could someone give me more information on Prince Konstantin Esperovich Belosselsky-Belozersky. I know how and where he died but that is all. Thanks.
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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2015, 11:56:20 AM »
I am from Helsinki and Finland. At the moment I am very interested about the Russian Orthodox Princely House Belosselsky Belozersky. I am especially interested about the branch named Moulin. I am therefore searching for more information about them with research in the original sources. Do you know about this House?

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2015, 12:59:23 PM »
Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky was first married in Saint Petersburg in 1898 with Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky. According to Almanach Saint Petersburg 1912 on page 150 they divorced before 1912. Do you have a source stating when they divorced or when she died? I wonder if Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky actually married Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin (Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky). Do you know? When and where was this marriage in that case contracted? According to Paul Theroff, who basis his information on Jacques Ferrand, "apparently this second marriage was contracted without confirmation of any death of, or divorce from, the first wife, and thus the children bore their mother’s surname". The question is therefore if the children with Madeleine Moulin are actually de iure legitimate. My hypothesis is that they married and that their descendants in the agnatic line is therefore also de iure legitimate. I need of course evidence to prove or disprove my hypothesis. I believe there are other reasons behind the change of the surname Belosselsky-Belozersky to Moulin than what Jacques Ferrand thought. I wonder if anyone here knows why the brothers Prince Georges Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Prince Paul Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky changed their surname to Moulin when their mother Madeleine Moulin changed her surname to Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky? The surname was changed from Belosselsky Belozersky when the the family moved to Finland in 1922.

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Re: Belosselsky Belozersky
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2015, 02:12:54 PM »
Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky was first married in Saint Petersburg in 1898 with Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky. According to Almanach Saint Petersburg 1912 on page 150 they divorced before 1912. Do you have a source stating when they divorced or when she died? I wonder if Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky actually married Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin (Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky). Do you know? When and where was this marriage in that case contracted? According to Paul Theroff, who basis his information on Jacques Ferrand, "apparently this second marriage was contracted without confirmation of any death of, or divorce from, the first wife, and thus the children bore their mother’s surname". The question is therefore if the children with Madeleine Moulin are actually de iure legitimate. My hypothesis is that they married and that their descendants in the agnatic line is therefore also de iure legitimate. I need of course evidence to prove or disprove my hypothesis. I believe there are other reasons behind the change of the surname Belosselsky-Belozersky to Moulin than what Jacques Ferrand thought. I wonder if anyone here knows why the brothers Prince Georges Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Prince Paul Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky changed their surname to Moulin when their mother Madeleine Moulin changed her surname to Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky? The surname was changed from Belosselsky Belozersky when the the family moved to Finland in 1922.

Have searched Wikipedia yet?

Here is a search that brings up quite a bit of information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Belosselsky+Belozersky&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1

And this link has information on "Moulin." The first links may have more info. too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belosselsky-Belozersky_family

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Katya

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Re: Belosselsky Belozersky
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2015, 02:32:26 PM »
Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky was first married in Saint Petersburg in 1898 with Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky. According to Almanach Saint Petersburg 1912 on page 150 they divorced before 1912. Do you have a source stating when they divorced or when she died? I wonder if Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky actually married Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin (Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky). Do you know? When and where was this marriage in that case contracted? According to Paul Theroff, who basis his information on Jacques Ferrand, "apparently this second marriage was contracted without confirmation of any death of, or divorce from, the first wife, and thus the children bore their mother’s surname". The question is therefore if the children with Madeleine Moulin are actually de iure legitimate. My hypothesis is that they married and that their descendants in the agnatic line is therefore also de iure legitimate. I need of course evidence to prove or disprove my hypothesis. I believe there are other reasons behind the change of the surname Belosselsky-Belozersky to Moulin than what Jacques Ferrand thought. I wonder if anyone here knows why the brothers Prince Georges Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Prince Paul Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky changed their surname to Moulin when their mother Madeleine Moulin changed her surname to Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky? The surname was changed from Belosselsky Belozersky when the the family moved to Finland in 1922.

Have searched Wikipedia yet?

Here is a search that brings up quite a bit of information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Belosselsky+Belozersky&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1

And this link has information on "Moulin." The first links may have more info. too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belosselsky-Belozersky_family

Regards,

Katya


I have of course studied those sites.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2016, 02:44:33 AM »
Marjatta Moulin belongs to the still existing Russian Princely family of Belosselsky-Belozersky. She lives in Helsinki in Finland.

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Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2016, 11:53:16 AM »
I am searching for:

1. A certificate for the divorce of Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky from Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky.

2. A certificate for the death of Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky.

3. A certificate for the marriage between Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin.

Can anyone please help me?