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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2008, 08:56:30 PM »
I think this is the anniversary emerald & diamond tiara. You can also see her lovely brooch and necklaces. If the tiara is the emerald one, I would suppose the one necklace and brooch consist of emeralds as well. You can also see the numerous pearls she wears near her waist.



I think this may be the aquamarine tiara



The trefoil tiara Wilhelm designed

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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2008, 09:04:16 PM »
This could be the diamond tiara (3rd tiara mentioned in my post)



aquamarine tiara & set



Whopper of a brooch (either emerald or sapphire it appears)

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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2008, 01:58:13 AM »
I wonder how her collection compared to Vickys? Vicky inherited all Queen Elizabeths jewels too.
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2008, 09:57:13 AM »
Cartierwent to Holland in 1920 and bought from Wilhelm (who had a cash flow problem )some of the Hohenzollern pearls..

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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2008, 11:16:46 AM »
thanks Grandduchess for the info and pictures. If the NY Times claim that Augusta's jewel collection was second only to Alexandra's, it would have been larger and more grand than what seems documented. Is that correct? Any ideas of what is missing and where they went?
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2008, 08:48:34 PM »
As the Kaiserin is a less-known figure than Empress Alexandra, and even at that the whereabouts of many Romanov jewels is unknown, it's not surprising that many of Dona's pieces's whereabouts, even their provenance, are unclear or unknown. Most of the ones that are known are because they stayed in the royal 'limelight' through her daughter Victoria Louise and VL's descendants.
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2008, 12:26:39 AM »
Have any Books been written about these jewels? Or the jewels included in a Book of any kind?

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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2008, 05:17:28 AM »
A large collection of Frederick the Great's bejewelled suff boxes are in the Gilbert Collection  and was exhibited until last week at Somerset House. I believe it is now being moved to V and A museum 

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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2008, 09:29:18 AM »
As the Kaiserin is a less-known figure than Empress Alexandra, and even at that the whereabouts of many Romanov jewels is unknown, it's not surprising that many of Dona's pieces's whereabouts, even their provenance, are unclear or unknown. Most of the ones that are known are because they stayed in the royal 'limelight' through her daughter Victoria Louise and VL's descendants.

Yes, agree, that makes sense. Relative, however, to the claim made in the NY Times, what scope are we talking about in terms of important pieces--tiaras, major necklaces, earings, broches, bracelets--historically speaking of what is known to have existed? Were there hundreds of pieces, scores? The list above is about 6 notable items; the windsor threads show at least 20. Just trying to get a feeling of quantity. thanks!
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2008, 11:58:21 AM »
As the Kaiserin is a less-known figure than Empress Alexandra, and even at that the whereabouts of many Romanov jewels is unknown, it's not surprising that many of Dona's pieces's whereabouts, even their provenance, are unclear or unknown. Most of the ones that are known are because they stayed in the royal 'limelight' through her daughter Victoria Louise and VL's descendants.

Yes, agree, that makes sense. Relative, however, to the claim made in the NY Times, what scope are we talking about in terms of important pieces--tiaras, major necklaces, earings, broches, bracelets--historically speaking of what is known to have existed? Were there hundreds of pieces, scores? The list above is about 6 notable items; the windsor threads show at least 20. Just trying to get a feeling of quantity. thanks!
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2008, 06:30:58 PM »
The Sancy Diamond is a whopping 40 carats and has been in the Hohenzollern collection since Frederick I. This diamond was one of a pair, the other having 55 carats and the larger is on permanent display at the Louvre.

Does anyone know how Augusta worn this gem?
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2008, 09:33:31 PM »
I suppose getting a feel for the collection would need clarification--are we still referring to only Augusta Victoria's jewelry or the Hohenzollern jewels (Crown and personal) in total?

I only supplied the information I had at hand--I'm sure there are much better jewel experts than I who could supply more and who have contributed greatly to the accumulation of information on the Windsor jewels. It's to be expected though that there will be more on the latter since the jewels are still commonly seen today--look how some of the jewels belonging to Queens Victoria, Alexandra and Mary have fallen off the radar and they didn't even suffer a revolution! Just the progression of various inheritances, sales, donations to charity and items just stuck away in the vaults. Most of the items I listed above had 'current whereabouts unknown' and sometimes even the provenance of the items.

Based on some of her photos, not just the ones I've posted, Dona seems to have had quite a large quantity (and quality) of brooches, necklaces and earrings. I don't think that she had a good number of tiaras (though just the 5 or so listed would seem pretty good to most of us!) and I don't think she had the opportunity ala Queens Alexandra & Mary or Empresses Marie and Alexandra to show them off. The Hohenzollerns didn't have coronations and I don't think they had the equivalent of the Opening of Parliament which enabled the British Queens to dress themselves in their finest.
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2009, 04:09:22 AM »
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2009, 08:40:26 AM »
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Re: Hohenzollern Jewels
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2009, 01:16:14 PM »
I am not sure about the private jewels held by the family. It seems to me that most have been dispersed through sale and inheritance, wedding gifts and simple financial need. [as has been mentioned] However, Lord Twining has  several  nice pictures in his  Crown Jewels of Europe, sadly, in black and white.
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