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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2008, 12:32:36 PM »
Let me see, I think I may be able to find a photo of that side of AP...

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2008, 12:44:59 PM »
As I recall, we got distracted by wandering into the park, then looking for the kitchens, which is why pics are not in sequence.
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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2008, 12:58:29 PM »
Ok, I think this is probably the best I can do...

So this is the side of AP where eventually NII would build a balcony, as it looked in the 19th century:


This is a picture I tried to take from the same (more or less) spot, but of course currently the trees get in the way:


So the balcony would have been all along that side (on the right of the photo - not the back of the palace)...

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2008, 01:19:36 PM »
Here we go- this is the side of the palace where the balcony once was.
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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2008, 01:39:22 PM »
Here we go- this is the side of the palace where the balcony once was.

Your picture is much better, thanks. It is the side that's next to the Kitchens, right?

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2008, 02:20:21 PM »
Yes. And that was another story. We searched all over for that building and were standing right in front of it! Checking old and new maps [of course it is not labeled "kitchens" now]
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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2008, 03:21:56 PM »
Yes, that's the Classical Kitchen immediately on the right.   It looks like they have cleared out a lot of the detritus since I was round there.   It is still possible to see some wrecked vehicles.   There used to be wrecked armoured cars and vehicles of that sort.   Mark you, almost right where Robert is standing there was a watch tower, flood lights, guards and dogs on guard.   There was another watch tower at the opposite entrance to what used to be the 'Formal Garden', ie. beside the road heading towards the 1st Entrance and finally a watch tower at the far end of what is now a barbed wire - it used to be a 10 feet high solid, wooden palisade - perimeter fence close to the Childrens' Pond.

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2008, 03:30:08 PM »
Yes, that's the Classical Kitchen immediately on the right.   It looks like they have cleared out a lot of the detritus since I was round there.   It is still possible to see some wrecked vehicles.   There used to be wrecked armoured cars and vehicles of that sort.   

Yes, I remember that. I'm glad they got rid of those!

Yes, that's the Classical Kitchen immediately on the right.   It looks like they have cleared out a lot of the detritus since I was round there.   It is still possible to see some wrecked vehicles.   There used to be wrecked armoured cars and vehicles of that sort.   Mark you, almost right where Robert is standing there was a watch tower, flood lights, guards and dogs on guard.   There was another watch tower at the opposite entrance to what used to be the 'Formal Garden', ie. beside the road heading towards the 1st Entrance and finally a watch tower at the far end of what is now a barbed wire - it used to be a 10 feet high solid, wooden palisade - perimeter fence close to the Childrens' Pond.

Someone told me that there were some tunnels between the Kitchen and the palace? For the servants to bring the food that way? And that currently they use these tunnels for storage (the military). Christine, do you know anything about that?

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 05:07:37 PM »
The tunnel has exists, but I believe has been blocked off someway between the kitchen and the basement of the palace.  I was told that the tunnel is still accessible from the Classical Kitchens, but not from the Palace. 

If you have ever been on the mezzanine of the Emperor's New Study, you can see where there was an entrance to the secret passage which crossed the corridor to the mezzanine in the Maple Room.   This too has been closed off.   I have tried to discover whether it was blocked off at the Study side or at the former Maple Room side - its both.

There are tunnels which extend from the Alexander Palace deep into the Park.  These were certainly in use until, at least, the end of the 'Cold War'.   Bob and I were fortunate enough to know a wonderful man - a geologist - who worked there Miloslavovich - Bob will remember his first name.... it escapes me for the moment.   Tragically he was 'killed' on the way home from his dacha at Luga.   His widow still lives in the Sophia area of Pushkin.   She is a French Professor.   

These were wonderful and exciting days - the late 80s and early 90s - when the Alexander Palace was a top secret military establishment.   I am sure many of you know, the right wing is reputed to be dangerous (radioactivity from whatever instruments etc. which were used there).   Having been in the right wing, I think this was a story which was put round to terrify people from going to close - not just tourists but, particularly locals for whom the Alexander Park (apart from during the time of Nazi occupation) has been open to the public.   In fact, what most people don't seem to realise, the parks were open to the public - on obtaining the requisite carnet - during the Tsarist period, when the imperial family was not in occupation.

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2008, 05:38:54 PM »
My scanner is not working, otherwise I would do it. But it would be nice if someone could post a picture from when the balcony was in place.
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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2008, 08:05:45 PM »
So Christine, you have actually been in the right wing?  If so, that must have been extremely exciting and can you tell us what it looked like?  What a shame someone could not have rescued the Imperial Family through the secret tunnels in the park.  Sounds like a good plot for a novel.  Tracy

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2008, 11:41:06 AM »
If you have ever been on the mezzanine of the Emperor's New Study, you can see where there was an entrance to the secret passage which crossed the corridor to the mezzanine in the Maple Room.   This too has been closed off.   

Yes, I did get the chance to go up to the mezzanine and yes, I do remember that the entance was closed off...

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2008, 12:23:24 PM »


Thank you, Reco! I knew this picture existed because I have seen it, but I had no idea where to find it...

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Re: Walking from the Catherine Palace to the Alexander Palace
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2008, 03:07:17 AM »
What number or window is where the ancien door (from Maple Room??? to the balcony) was?.
And where the steps to garden werent?
Thank in advance