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Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« on: September 25, 2007, 01:11:29 PM »
:)Hello Britt !

These photographies are taken from "Mon Album de Famille" of Henri Comte de Paris, written by his nephew Michel Prince de Grèce ( Michael Prince of Greece).
Published by Librairie Académique Perrin, Paris 1996
ISBN 2.262.01237.7
It is a very beautiful photobook from which I discovered these pictures of Princess Isabelle and  Prince Murat.
It is mentionned under the photographies that the alliance between the two dynasties Bourbon-Orléans and Bonaparte was much discussed...

The same as it was with Clémentine of Belgique ( who had also Orléans blood) who married Prince Napoléon...


Can anybody repost the picture of Isabelle and Prince Murat please?
It was posted by Frimousse many months ago, from the book "mon album de famille" by Henri, count of Paris. But it unfortunately it was taken away by anyone, and I have lost it, because my PC was broken and my picture archives all got lost.
Frimousse was not active here since march and did not reply my PM.
Can anybody help me with the picture???
PLEASE!





 

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 10:19:17 PM »
That was an outstanding book !  :)

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 02:38:16 AM »
Any idea, where to get the picture once again? I'm so unhappy that I've lost it. Can anybody post it again?
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 04:31:44 AM »
One needs to find the book and scan it... ???

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 07:36:58 AM »
One needs to find the book and scan it... ???


I think Britt.25 doesn't ask such a wise advice.  She asks about posting the picture.


Any idea, where to get the picture once again? I'm so unhappy that I've lost it. Can anybody post it again?

Britt, I'll try to dig out the picture, I guess I have it somewhere. If I'll find it I send you a PM.

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 10:41:51 AM »
It was from the book "mon Album de famille" by Henri of Orleans/Michael of Greece.

And it showed Isabelle d'harcourt and her husband Prince Pierre Murat in swimming cloth and with swimming stuff.  It was quite funny and rare. As far as I can remember it Prince Murat was smoking and had bare feet, both were sitting. It would be wonderful, if anybody could find that picture or has the book. Would be great because I lost all my picture archives by a recent PC crash and I'm desperately looking for that picture again. :'( :'( ;)
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2007, 11:13:14 PM »
Has this couple any children?
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 03:19:11 AM »
Has this couple any children?

Isabelle's 4 children were from her 1st husband Count d'Harcourt.

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2007, 07:29:00 AM »
Yes, that's right. Isabelle, daughter of Jean, duc de Guise and Isabella d'Orléans, had four children by her first marriage with Bruno d'Harcourt, and married Prince Pierre Murat in her second marriage. She did not have any children from her second marriage.
BUT: Isabelle's daughter Isabelle (same name) married again a descendant of Caroline Bonaparte and Joachim Murat: Prince Louis Marie Joachim Napoléon Murat and had six children by him. They are all married and have a lot of descendants.
Again a connection of the families Bonaparte- Orléans, surely not without problems, but interesting and evidently not unhappy, what the number of six children seem to prove! :) ::)
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2007, 11:19:19 AM »
Isabelle's 4 children were from her 1st husband Count d'Harcourt.

Bernard (1925-1958)
m.1st 4 Nov 1948 (div 1949) Zenaide Rachewska (born 1 Sep 1930);
m.2d Paris 27 Jan 1951 Yvonne de Contades (born 22 Apr 1928)
> Bruno (born 1951)
> Francois (born 1953)

Gilone Jeanne Armande Anne Marie (born 1927)
m.Cany 9 Sep 1950 Antoine de Dreux-Brézé (born 1928)
> Laure de Dreux-Brézé (born 1951)
> Anne de Dreux-Brézé (1952-1953)
> Diane de Dreux-Brézé (born 1954)
> Anne-Pierre de Dreux-Brézé (1958-1958)
> Isabelle de Dreux-Brézé (1964-1966)

Isabelle Henriette Christiane Gabrielle Marie (1927-1993)
m.Paris 20 Oct 1948 Pr Louis Murat (born 1920)   
> Pierre Charles Marie Jean Joachim Napoléon (born 1949)
> Xavier Paul Marie Bruno Joachim Napoléon (1951-1951)
> Leïla Marie Isabelle Solange Monique Anne (born 1953)
> Laura Marguerite Marie Cécile Gilone (born 1954)
> Bernard Pierre Marie François Paul Joachim Napoléon (born 1959)
> Jérôme-Paul Louis Marie Joachim Napoléon (born 1966)

Monique Gabrielle Caroline Juliette Marie (born 1929)
m.Paris 1 Jul 1948 (rel) 3 Jul 1948 Cte Alfred Boulay de la Meurthe (born 1925)
> Gilone (born 1949)
> Iseult (born 1956)
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2007, 11:59:44 AM »
I hope it lets Dmitry finally believe that a match Bonaparte- Orléans can functionate... ::)

BW: Has anyone ever seen Isabelle's daughter from Bruno d'Harcourt?
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2007, 02:15:46 PM »
BW: Has anyone ever seen Isabelle's daughter from Bruno d'Harcourt?

Which one? Isabelle had three daughters by Bruno d'Harcourt. Anyway, there is definitely a pic of Isabelle and her children in "Mon album de famille" ... maybe there are even more. I'll have a look.
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2007, 03:29:49 AM »
Sorry, I ment the one, who is also called Isabelle, and who married Prince Louis Murat. I think, I've once seen that picture, it was here as well, but somebody took it away..It showed Isabelle d'Harcourt and her daughters...Maybe it could be interesting for me to purchase that book as well, but I suppose it's very hard to get. ::)
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2008, 10:34:44 AM »
I dedicace this thread to the three sisters of the late Count of Paris, Isabelle, Françoise and Anne of Guise, whose often tragic destiny deserves to be known.

I invite all members of the forum to participate if they wish. So, thanks to them, i hope to get more information about the life and the daily lives of these 3 princesses to the personality so different but so interesting.

Thank you in advance.
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2008, 10:14:30 PM »
There's some information and photos on Francoise here:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,1615.0.html
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