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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2011, 01:28:04 PM »
As far as I know, the Orleans family seldom marry morganetically (even today). So the Harcourts must be considered of equal standing for the marriage to be celebrated. Like the Hapsburgs considered the Croys worthy of an equal marriage.   

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2011, 01:43:26 PM »
I am sure you are correct about that.  But the Orleans have a long history of  unequal partnerships , even if ex-Gotha. My guess about the Harcourts is that they were enobled and considered Peers.
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« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2011, 01:50:10 PM »
I am sure about the ennobled part at least in England, but it seems that the French accept that too (which I found interesting).

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2011, 01:54:43 PM »
Could very well be true, if not curious, considering the Orleans history.
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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2011, 02:06:53 PM »
Yes. Harcount Family does have lineage back to the Conquerer.

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #80 on: July 02, 2011, 05:16:03 AM »
Anne de Guise :

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #81 on: July 02, 2011, 08:11:54 AM »
Isabelle with her daughters Isabelle, Francoises and Anne and her future in laws the Orleans Bragance and Madame, Isabelle , future comtesse d Paris AKA Bebelle (third from left to right sitting on the floor).

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2011, 11:41:39 AM »
This is supposedly Isabelle de Guise - did she had red hair?




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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #83 on: November 20, 2011, 12:37:31 PM »
Not sure...

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #84 on: November 21, 2011, 07:19:17 AM »
I dont know. For pictures i always assumed she was blonde.

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2011, 05:21:48 AM »
IMO her eyes are similar to Isabelles.
Does someone had red hair in her family?

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2011, 07:04:12 AM »
Princess Isabelle de Guise and her daughters out of Notre Dame at the funeral of his brother the Count of Paris in 1928 :


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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2011, 08:43:04 AM »
IMO her eyes are similar to Isabelles.
Does someone had red hair in her family?

Maybe she dyed her hair or there is a chance that the natural color of her hair can be viewed as blonde or slightly ginger + freedom of the artist!

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2011, 02:20:56 PM »
Princess Isabelle de Guise and her daughters out of Notre Dame at the funeral of his brother the Count of Paris in 1928 :



The brother of duchess de Guise called Philippe duke of Orléans, not count of Paris. He died in Palermo in 1926, not in 1928. The funreral took place in Palermo where he was buried temporarily. La

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Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2011, 02:31:08 PM »
Princess Isabelle de Guise and her daughters out of Notre Dame at the funeral of his brother the Count of Paris in 1928 :



The brother of duchess de Guise called Philippe duke of Orléans, not count of Paris. He died in Palermo in 1926, not in 1928. The funreral took place in Palermo where he was buried temporarily.
....Later, he was transferred in Dreux (France). The pic shows duchesse of Guise out of Notre-dame of Paris after a massrequiem for his brother.