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Offline LenelorMiksi

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2009, 08:57:20 PM »
I don't believe Charlotte disliked all of her aunts.  I remember reading a letter she wrote saying positive things about Sophie.  I'll have to find out where I read it. I think what she didn't like was being shut up in a palace with no one her age.  Her and her father had a very strained relationship, but that last year with Leopold seemed to have smoothed things out. 
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2009, 09:29:14 AM »
Charlotte's relationship with her aunts varied depending on her circumstances.  When she was younger, they appeared old frumps who were under the thumb of their brother the Prince of Wales and involved in spying on her and trying to help him control her.  However, Sophie was always a favorite.  "I must indeed say to you how thoroughly amiable & what a true friend she is, & how entirely she is to be depended upon" she wrote to her friend Mercer Elphinstone.  "When I see her with the rest of her family, I can hardly believe she belongs to them."  Her relationship with Mary initially was not good "...Mary...is almost the most violent person I ever say & the carrier of everything back again to the P[rince], whose great favorite she is, as well as Pss Elizabeth.  There is but one difference, that the former being a fool, canot contrive things so well as the other  who has cleverness & deepness, both..."  Elizabeth was "that detestable Pss Elizabeth" and "Pss M[ary], E[lizabeth], & the Q[ueen] have been caballing [plotting] shockingly against me..."  Augusta was not especially singled out for attention although she tended to be lumped in with the gang which was making perceived as making Charlotte's life a misery.  Gradually, however, the attitudes of both Charlotte and her aunts changed towards each other.  The departure of Charlotte's mother to the Continent in particular removed a very great source of irritation from the scene -Charlotte did not have to defend or feel guilty about her mother, the aunts did not have to be outraged or criticise her.  When the Prince of Orange betrothal fell through, Charlotte was able to write "Only think of Elizabeth & Augusta saying to me last [night] how much they hoped I should be tormented & worried no more on the P.O. busines, how they longed for an answer for me wh. might set my mind at rest..." Mary tried to use her influence with the Prince of Wales to achieve a better relationship with Charlotte; and finally, once Charlotte was married, none of the aunts had any power (or perceived power - one suspects a lot of the plotting and spying was in Charlotte's mind) to interfere with her, and from spies and intriguers they dwindled into harmless and irrelevant relations.  Though Sophia remained "...a very sweet dear, being so true to me, so sencible [Charlotte's spelling], so right on all subjects.  She is a no small comfort when separated from you [i.e. Mercer Elphinstone, to whom all these remarks were addressed]".

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2011, 04:33:25 PM »


Charlotte and Leopold.

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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2011, 07:31:18 PM »
I think the British actress Susannah Harker looks so much like Charlotte. If there was ever a production based on Charlotte's life, Susannah would be the actress to play her in my opinion. I adored her portrayal of Jane Bennet in the Masterpiece Classic of 1995 "Pride and Prejudice."

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2011, 07:30:08 AM »
There is quite a lot about Princess Charlotte in Kate Williams's book, 'Becoming Queen'.

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2011, 12:45:01 PM »
Poor Charlotte! Such a tragic life.

I have just read "Caroline & Charlotte" by Alison Plowden! A brilliant book, I couldn't put it down!

The Princess Charlotte memorial in St Georges Chapel, is just breath taking...
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2011, 01:34:46 PM »
Yes, it is quite something to see in person. It is truly awe inspiring and tinged with such melancholy. What a tragedy.

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2011, 05:17:25 PM »


Posthumous portrait of Charlotte by Dawe.

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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2011, 10:57:24 AM »


Young Charlotte with her mother, Princess Caroline.

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2012, 03:03:25 PM »


Charlotte.

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2012, 09:25:59 PM »
Ok I am just speculating, but it appears to me that Charlotte was not very physically attractive and that she might have taken after her mother. I am not trying to say she was ugly in any sense of the word and if it came off like that I apologize. It just appears that she took after her mother and her mother was said not to be particularly beautiful, at least by George, and who knows if you can take his opinion seriously. I do hope that Leopold at least liked Charlotte and he wasn't just with her so he could be married to the future queen of England.
On the other hand, Charlotte was married to Leopold , who was Victoria's uncle as well as her husbands uncle...so that would make Leopold, Victoria's Cousin/Uncle/Uncle.

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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2012, 10:19:55 PM »
Ok I am just speculating, but it appears to me that Charlotte was not very physically attractive and that she might have taken after her mother. I am not trying to say she was ugly in any sense of the word and if it came off like that I apologize. It just appears that she took after her mother and her mother was said not to be particularly beautiful, at least by George, and who knows if you can take his opinion seriously. I do hope that Leopold at least liked Charlotte and he wasn't just with her so he could be married to the future queen of England.
On the other hand, Charlotte was married to Leopold , who was Victoria's uncle as well as her husbands uncle...so that would make Leopold, Victoria's Cousin/Uncle/Uncle.

I personally do not find Charlotte especially attractive either, but I'm drawn to her story nonetheless.  According to We Two by Gillian Gill, Charlotte and Leopold were not exactly in love--Charlotte saw marriage as an escape from her unhappy life, and Leopold certainly liked the idea of being husband to the future queen of England; however, they did grow fond of each other after their marriage.  

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2012, 03:15:15 AM »
Ok I am just speculating, but it appears to me that Charlotte was not very physically attractive and that she might have taken after her mother. I am not trying to say she was ugly in any sense of the word and if it came off like that I apologize. It just appears that she took after her mother and her mother was said not to be particularly beautiful, at least by George, and who knows if you can take his opinion seriously. I do hope that Leopold at least liked Charlotte and he wasn't just with her so he could be married to the future queen of England.
On the other hand, Charlotte was married to Leopold , who was Victoria's uncle as well as her husbands uncle...so that would make Leopold, Victoria's Cousin/Uncle/Uncle.

I think George would have been able to overcome actual plainess in Caroline, but her lack of personal hygiene and lack of appropriate conduct was particularly repellent to him.  Lord Malmesbury, who escorted her to England, wrote in his diary that she frequently neglected to wash or change her dirty clothes.  He also thought her judgement was poor, and she was tactless and indiscreet, all qualities which she immediately displayed upon meeting the prince, talking too much and criticising his current mistress, Lady Jersey.  George had an immediate "disgust of her person" - his own mistresses and female friends and relations may not all have been especially beautiful but they were all very fastidious in their persons and elegance and refinement in women were extremely important to him.  There is no evidence that Charlotte took after her mother in her lack of personal hygiene, but she was considered to have rather unrefined manners - showing too much of her legs, for example, and being rather indiscreet in her conduct towards men.  But as a married woman, she became more confident and assured in her behaviour, and genuinely grateful to Leopold for providing her with marital support.  Leopold certainly made it clear to his second wife Louise of France, that his first wife had been the love of his life.

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2012, 07:19:08 AM »

The story I like most about Princess Charlotte is when she tried to flee her father's house to take refuge with her mother because she was fed up with her father's restrictions. She climbed out of a window and got in a taxi (hackney carriage) without any money! needless to say she didn't get very far and was recognised and brought straight back home. Shows she had great spirit but perhaps not much common sense.

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Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2012, 05:54:12 PM »


Illustration of Charlotte and Leopold at their wedding.