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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2009, 09:56:12 AM »
Portrait of Charlotte, Dss of Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel. Unknoun painter, 1706/09 years


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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2009, 06:26:49 PM »
Very Pretty! she was beautiful and its a shame she was treated so badly, she was better of marrying a german or even english prince!

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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2009, 08:34:32 AM »
Letters of Charlotte of her parents:

4 january 1712: "The Tsarevich has surrounded me with their friendship, each day he shows me signs of his love, so that I can say that quite happy, if not a place where I now live, is extremely unpleasant".

august 1713: "Tsar me heaps of affection and favors. I am now not only pay a quarter the money correctly, but I have also received all necessary for me the food and now I am assigned several names for the costs of farming. These estates were given to me at the full disposal, and belongs to me, even the judicial power over them. They live 600 souls, and soon I will give another 900, which together amount to 1500. However, these estates are scattered in different places.
Tsar during his stay here was very affectionate to me, he talked to me about the most serious cases, and assured me a thousand times in his regard for me. Tsarina, for its part did not miss a chance to express their sincere respect for me. The Tsarevich loves me passionately, he loses his temper, if I have not anything, even minor, and I love him immensely".

Raised in a refined atmosphere of the court of Saxony, assimilated from childhood Western culture, Charlotte and did not "own" for Russian society, which at first seemed quite disposed to a German princess. From her very depended retain the sympathy of Russian, get together with them closer, fascinated by their interests, share their worries and troubles. Instead, Sophie Charlotte was locked in his house, carefully avoiding any contact with representatives of the nobility, high-ranking dignitaries. It did not take even the attempts to study the Russian language, imbued with the spirit of the nation, only to comply with court etiquette with disdainful incredulity to attend an Orthodox service.
"I never was a very favorable opinion of Russia and its people, but what I saw exceeded my expectations. Must live among the Russian to know them well. In order to get their location, should make Russian and spirit, and to their liking, and even then it is not always possible, because if there are people, so this is ours. They are highly self-serving, and if you lend them something, they believe that count on their gratitude, and then they begin to hate the person who is good to them. After delivering them some fun, you still should treat them with the appreciation that could be expected from them and thank them for what they receive a gift, otherwise they are very offended. The concepts they are very confused, the most horrible revels distributed among them during the worship and prayer, they behave very lightly, dirtiness of their reach extreme dimensions, there is no region in Germany, whose inhabitants would not have been educated Russian, that is, those who did not see anything except their homeland. In short, it is very unattractive people".

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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2009, 11:52:27 AM »
What an interesting post, Alexandrina Sofia!  I have never before read extracts from Charlotte's letters home to her family.  I'd always understood that Alexis treated Charlotte badly but her letters make no mention of this.  Perhaps she was disguising the truth to stop her family from worrying about her, though that said she is fairly critical of Russia itself.

I've read that Peter the Great was always kind to her and while she was dying showed her far more consideration and affection than Alexis.  It's nice that Charlotte writes of Peter's kindness to her.

It's sad that her children never had the chance to know her.  I wonder how different their lives would have been had she lived.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2009, 09:25:07 AM »
I am very pleased that you post interesting. Indeed, the relationship Sophia Charlotte and Prince Alexei quickly deteriorated - they were very different in character, habits, tastes, and religion.
That's what Sophie Charlotte wrote to his parents: "Only God knows how I was saddened by this, and you saw how little love and attention from him to me. I've always tried to conceal the nature of my husband, now the mask against my will sleep. I am so unhappy that it was difficult to imagine and express in words, it remains for me only one - to mourn and lament. I despised the victim of my house which I have not even brought some benefits much ....
 Changed and the relationship with the princess royal family (and not the best role is played by Alexei's aunt and sister of Peter I - Princess Natasha, decides to put in place "that German woman").
Princess, sister Alexis, who took the Crown Princess was very friendly, then began to treat her with hostility, intrigued against her, made her open all sorts of bad.
 Besides, the closest friend of the Princess - Juliana Louise von Ostfrisland - Sophia Charlotte was able to configure and against the Russian, and against her husband.
On top of that, Catherine - the second wife of Peter, hated Sophia Charlotte: for her children and Alexei had an indisputable right to the throne, thus becoming, rivals for the children of Catherine.
In 1714 Sophie Charlotte wrote to his mother: "If I was not pregnant, then went to Germany and would gladly agreed to there to eat only bread and water. I pray to God that He guided me with your spirit, or desperation will force me to do something terrible ... ".
In the summer of that year, obtaining a medical opinion that he needed treatment in Carlsbad from consumption, and obtaining the permission of his father, Alexei Petrovich suddenly going abroad. His departure was so skoropalitelen she's pregnant wife found out about the upcoming separation only when the prince's carriage was filed to the entrance. Farewell oprotivevshimi between each other husband and wife was brief, Alexei confine a single phrase: "Good-bye, I am going to Carlsbad.
For six months, conducted a prince in Europe, he did not bother to even write letters to his wife. Five months later, Charlotte informs his mother: "The prince has not yet returned, and no one knows where he is, whether he is dead or alive, I'm terribly excited. All the letters I sent to him in the last six or eight weeks, I returned to Dresden and Berlin, as his address is unknown there.
Only shortly before his return to Russia, Charlotte wife learned about it from the Empress Catherine, received a letter from Alexis.
The prolonged absence of Prince, the rumors about the family quarrels and Sophia Charlotte, the closed life in the narrow German environment gave birth to her yard in St. Petersburg rumors about the future of paternity of the child. Not without reason it can be argued that dubious honor belonged to the very inventor of gossip queen Catherine. Annoyed by these conversations, Peter I ordered to when her daughter to the approval of the burden inseparable were three ladies of the court. In a letter to Sophia Charlotte, the king explained the necessity of the measure "to prevent layatelstvo unbridled tongue, which obykli truth turned into a lie.
Such hints insulted princess, but, unable to resist the will of the king, she barely was able to prevail upon him to leave with her midwife, brought from Germany.
July 12, 1714, after difficult births, the princess gave birth to daughter Natalya.
Alex is so alienated from the princess and to ignore it, that settled in the same house as his mistress - the land of his teacher Nikifora Vyazemsky - Euphrosyne Fedorov.
Visits husband Prince inflicted once a week, and Sophie Charlotte never appeared on his part.
However, in 1715, Sophia Charlotte became pregnant again. The situation is greatly complicated by the fact that the child is waiting and the queen Catherine.
Of course, such circumstances are not the best way affected the emotional state of the princess, and her health was very upset: Second Pregnancy even harder than the first. For ten weeks before the birth, down the stairs, she fell and badly hit back against the steps. Since then, it bothered constant pain in his left side and abdomen. For nine days before the birth condition deteriorated and she was bedridden. At midnight from 11 to 12 October 1715 began labor pains, and by five o'clock in the morning, she successfully gave birth to a son, named after his grandfather Peter.
(Twelve days later, Queen Catherine gave birth to a son, also named Peter).
In the first days after birth, the son of Sophia Charlotte, the state is not alarming: she was walking, received congratulations and, despite the objections of doctors, she fed the baby. But on the fourth day she began severe abdominal pain, chills appeared. Patient was delirious delirious. It took another four days, and all these days, the prince did not leave his wife ...
Only 20 October by Peter I, who was himself in those days was very ill, sent to her his life-doctors, upon learning of serious illness Sophia Charlotte. The verdict of doctors were pessimistic in the extreme: on the verge of death ...
Around noon, Charlotte, came to himself, sent for the king. He ordered to bring itself in a wheelchair. The princess asked her father-child and begged him to leave with her friend Princess von Ostfrisland. When Peter left, the princess took leave of court and called the pastor. Sophia Charlotte Physicians urged to adopt a new medication, but she threw a glass on the floor with the words: "Do not torment me so, let me die in peace, I do not want to live anymore."
 Sophie Charlotte died on the night of 21 to 22 October, at the age of twenty-one years, leaving year-old daughter and baby-son.
October 28 princess was buried in the Peter and Paul Fortress ...

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Re: Family of Tsarevitch Alexei Petrovitch
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2013, 03:22:29 PM »
Charlotte did not like Russia, did not try to learn Russian or embrace the religion,  and Alexei was very enthusiastic about all things Russian.  She was the choice of Peter and for that reason also Alexei and the enemies of Peter were unkind to her. Because she openly despised Russia the royal family hated her.  Peter liked her as she connected his family with the royalty of Europe. She and Alexei were both stubborn, arrogant, and stupid.  Had either been less used to having their own way history would have been different. Still she and he produced children and she did her duty appearing at functions with him.
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2013, 07:28:32 PM »
I don't think she was considered beautiful. She was pock marked and Alexei said she was skinny.
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2014, 06:34:20 PM »
I have been unsuccessfully searching for information on Natalia Alexeievna.  All I know is that she was close to her brother, the future Tsar Peter II, and that she died at age fourteen.  Does anyone know anything else about this grand duchess?  If there is already a thread on her (I know there is one on her mother), maybe one of the mods could merge it...

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2014, 09:45:07 AM »
I don't think she was beautiful but she was intelligent and kind.  Apparently when she died her brother Peter locked himself in his rooms for days and wouldn't see anyone.  I guess that she was probably the only person he truly loved.  They had both had a very difficult early life - orphaned and neglected by Peter the Great and could only really count on each other for affection. 

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2014, 11:17:47 AM »
I don't think she was beautiful but she was intelligent and kind.  Apparently when she died her brother Peter locked himself in his rooms for days and wouldn't see anyone.  I guess that she was probably the only person he truly loved.  They had both had a very difficult early life - orphaned and neglected by Peter the Great and could only really count on each other for affection. 

Thank you, ivanushka!  Do you know how she died, by any chance?

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2014, 11:21:46 AM »
I don't, sadly.  I don't think she died of smallpox but what the actual cause was I'm not sure.

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2017, 09:20:51 PM »
I thought she died of tuberculosis.
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2017, 03:17:36 AM »
"Grand Duchess Natalia, the king's sister on his mother and father, was born July 23, 1714. Not that she was beautiful: she had chicken pox and it was a bit of a snub, but she was well built, had an excellent mind and judgment. She was of medium height and rather full, rather than a blessing, she had a kind face, beautiful neck and hands. Friends of Princess Elizabeth quarreled with her king, which for the poor princess was enough, so she had no idea of ​​access to power. Her character was delicious, she was generous to all and merciful to the poor, loved pleasure, was very disposed to foreigners, very fluent in French and in English. With great sorrow she saw in the heart of the way into the abyss, which sought to her brother, and very much wanted to save him, but she was not able to talk to him, and she knew that the king inspired neglected. In short, it was one of the most perfect princess in the world, which turned out to be a blessing in Russia, if survived; but the sadness that had caused her to have caused tuberculosis, from which she died December 3, 1728, mourned by all who knew her, and, above all foreigners".

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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2017, 12:08:51 PM »
Charlotte was not pretty. She had scars from smallpox and had she been so would not have married the crown prince of Russia.Her sister Elizabeth married the head of Austria. They said he was a fool with mistresses but she treated him well.Her family was well connected and very ambitious. Of course Alexei who was a jerk treated her horribly. He did not even give her enough money to fix the roof in her bedroom. But they were both dogmatic and slow. She never learned Russian, and treated the Russian court with contempt. He was generally regarded as a fool but was deeply nationalistic except for his mistress who was from Finland. Anyway Alexei and Charlotte did their duty and had two kids, Natalya and Peter. She died after giving birth to Peter. The two kids lived to age  14 when she died of tuberculosis and 15 when he died of smallpox on his wedding day after being king for two years. Alexei also had two illegitimate kids and I know nothing of them. His girlfriend was pregnant after the death of Charlotte and no one knows what became of the child. As for her, Peter gave his mistress the largest stipend in his history after the death of Alexis and she married a member of his guard and died at 42. I do not know if they had kids.
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