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Offline Grand_Duchess_Olga

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Serious Height Issue
« on: June 29, 2008, 08:46:09 PM »
On this forum, I hear many estimates as to how tall the imperial children were. 

To me to say that Olga was about 5'4 or any grand duchess was under 5'6  save for Anastasia , I have a hard time buying.

When I see the girls standing next to Nicolas, they are noticeably taller then he was. 

Most stats put Nicolas at 5'6 or 5'7. 

The Tsarina was even taller then Nicolas, according to some records. 

So I am not sure that saying any of the girls except Anastasia were under 5'6 in height inaccurate. 

If I am wrong then so be it. 

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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 09:32:02 PM »
It's true that estimates of the grand duchesses' heights vary, but I disagree that the photo record shows Nicholas's daughters as noticeably taller than he was. Their heels and picture hats decorated with flowers and ostrich feathers give some impression of height, but as far as I can see none of the girls (with the possible exception of Tatiana) were as tall as or taller than their father.

1913:



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Even in the winter of 1917-18, Nicholas and Tatiana (by all accounts the tallest of the girls, as this 1917 photo shows) were of very similar height:



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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 01:31:05 AM »
Baroness Sophie Buxhoeveden wrote in her book that Tatiana was even taller than Alix ("She was taller even than the Empress, but she was so slight and well-proportioned that her great height was not remarkable"), and Alix is said to have been a little taller than Nicholas - which I sometimes have trouble believing that because of the women's hair style and their shoe heels could very possibly have been another factor (sometimes it looks as if Nicholas was taller, then at other times Alix was taller, and at other times it looks as if they're both the same height).

I think I agree with Sarushka. All the girls seem shorter than Nicholas. With Tatiana, as it is clear she was the tallest of the girls, I think she looks as if she could be the same height as her father or a little shorter.

I do not know the exact heights of each of the children and their parents either..

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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 02:39:53 AM »
Olga: 5'5.
Tatiana: 5'8.
Maria: 5'7.
Anastasia: 5'2.
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 02:46:16 AM »
In centimetres please :)  I have no slightest idea of how long an inch is.,

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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 03:17:08 AM »
In centimetres please :)  I have no slightest idea of how long an inch is.,

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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 03:52:02 AM »
Olga: 165.10
Tatiana: 172.72
Maria:170.18
Anastasia:157.48
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 04:04:29 AM »
Thank you Holly!

So I´m also one of those who share Anastasia´s heigh :)

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 07:12:02 AM »
I'm very slightly taller than Anastasia. But then again, I'm probably still growing a little! :D

Thank you for the information, Holly!

Ally, an inch is about 2.5 centimetres. ;)

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 07:16:14 AM »
Olga: 5'5.
Tatiana: 5'8.
Maria: 5'7.
Anastasia: 5'2.

I'm presuming these are estimates based on the studies done after the remains were found? As far as I know, the scientists had to use photographs and extrapolate from the measurements of key bones because no reliable height figures existed for the girls at the time of their death.
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2008, 07:37:41 AM »
Olga: 5'5.
Tatiana: 5'8.
Maria: 5'7.
Anastasia: 5'2.

I'm presuming these are estimates based on the studies done after the remains were found? As far as I know, the scientists had to use photographs and extrapolate from the measurements of key bones because no reliable height figures existed for the girls at the time of their death.

They couldn't have gone off the remains, because the body marked Anastasia is around 5'7" and the one they just found is around 5'3".  I think they must have gone off some earlier measurement or from photographs.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 07:43:31 AM »
Also, Sarushka, they used pics. from 1917; so, they can say how tall girls were.
1915:
 
I am not sure year were 1915. First one 1916, the second winter 1914-maybe 1915. when did you learn these years?
Also, Tatiana was taller than NII. But in the first one Tatiana was same height as father(in 1913), also in that captivity photo in 1917/8. What about years beetwen?  :)
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 07:51:01 AM »
Olga: 5'5.
Tatiana: 5'8.
Maria: 5'7.
Anastasia: 5'2.

Now that sounds more like it! 

The bone measurement have Maria at 5'4 which I find IMPOSSIBLE considering the build of that girl!

When I see their feet I think they usually opt to wear mules (little tiny heels) or flat bottoms.

Anastasia had feet problems I can't imagine her wearing pinchy heels.

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 08:54:28 AM »
Olga: 165.10
Tatiana: 172.72
Maria:170.18
Anastasia:157.48

Thank you Holly :) I'm just a little taller than Nastya. Hope I'll grow a little more.

I think Olga's height is perfect for a girl. Tatiana & Maria are too tall.

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2008, 10:38:51 AM »
They couldn't have gone off the remains, because the body marked Anastasia is around 5'7" and the one they just found is around 5'3".  I think they must have gone off some earlier measurement or from photographs.

The American forensic scientists used measurements from the skeletons' femurs and arm bones to estimate the girls' heights. And I stress 'estimate' because by the time Dr. Maples examined the remains, he was "horrified to see that some of the long bones of the thigh and arm had been cut in half; this could only make it more difficult for him to estimate height." [Massie, pg 60] To my knowledge, the American scientists only referred to photographs to help differentiate between the girls *after* they'd estimated the skeletons' height.
 
Although the media persists in labeling the newly found remains as belonging to Maria, there was significant disagreement between the forensic teams about the identification of skeleton #6 -- some of it centered around the height discrepancy Aliss points out. The Russians believed skeleton #6 belonged to Anastasia, and the American team believed it was Maria. Apparently Dr. Abramov based his findings primarily on facial reconstruction and superimposing photographs, while Dr. Maples considered height, development of the vertebrae and pelvic rim, and development wisdom teeth.

Reading pages 63-67 of Robert Massie's Romanovs: The Final Chapter convinces me that the height of skeleton #6 is correct, but the identification as Anastasia is wrong.


I also have a Russian book which presents a forensic examination of the remains. The vocabulary is difficult and specialized, but I'll see if I can find any additional information on the girls' height from that source.
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