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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2008, 11:27:50 AM »
Correction to my last post!

The Russian team identified skeleton #5 as Tatiana and #6 as Anastasia.
The American team identified skeleton #5 as Maria and #6 as Tatiana

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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 11:32:19 AM »
I agree with Russian team, I've always believed Maria is missing daughter.
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2008, 11:36:16 AM »
I've found a chart in Taina Tsarskikh Ostankov that compares the American forensic results with the Russian, so I recopied it into English. As you can see, there's a significant discrepancy in the estimated heights of skeleton #6:


(measurements are in centimeters)

[Edited to fix a typo in the chart]
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2008, 11:44:23 AM »
Thanks, Sarushka. I never could believe differents between US and RU results of forensic. It's big difference.
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2008, 01:50:18 PM »
Olga: 5'5.
Tatiana: 5'8.
Maria: 5'7.
Anastasia: 5'2.

I'm presuming these are estimates based on the studies done after the remains were found? As far as I know, the scientists had to use photographs and extrapolate from the measurements of key bones because no reliable height figures existed for the girls at the time of their death.

I did not get the height of Anastasia from remains. I forgot where I got it though. I did use remains and I did my own research as well.

I don't see how people could take the Russian results over the US results.

Not only does the age and estimated height of #5 fit Maria, but they used a picture of Maria to prove it was Anastasia and the wounds on the body correspond to how they say Maria died as well. I don't understand at all what reason people have to believe it besides just because they  keep saying so.

Height may be rough to use in identifying but you cannot disregard it completely. Even if the estimation is rough you can still tell who was tallest or shortest. If the bones were cut in half it would only make them shorter and bones shrink over time. It wouldn't make anyone taller or have a huge impact.

If you put Olga as #3, Tatiana as #6, Maria as #5, the height, age, wound, etc... would all basically match. But then if you put Anastasia in, the whole thing gets messed up! The Russian's based theirs on facial reconstruction which is ridiculous considering that most of the faces were missing on 2 of them! I don't understand why this is so difficult.
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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2008, 01:07:35 AM »
Regarding this issue I think it's important to realize that most likely all the heights aren't exactly super-accurate since they extrapolated from broken bones and made estimates.  And according to both teams, only Olga was positively conclusively identified by them.  So it could be equally Tatiana, Maria, or Anastasia.  I figure that once we all get more information about the new skeletons we could probably find out conclusively, with all of the children accounted for, who is who.  Even for Anastasia to be missing the heights, to me, make no sense.

Livadia.org has an interesting discussion of both team's findings and conclude that the missing daughter may be Tatiana.

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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2008, 03:11:33 AM »
Regarding this issue I think it's important to realize that most likely all the heights aren't exactly super-accurate since they extrapolated from broken bones and made estimates.  And according to both teams, only Olga was positively conclusively identified by them.  So it could be equally Tatiana, Maria, or Anastasia.  I figure that once we all get more information about the new skeletons we could probably find out conclusively, with all of the children accounted for, who is who.  Even for Anastasia to be missing the heights, to me, make no sense.

How do the heights not make sense?? Tatiana couldn't be missing. Anastasia's development and height don't match any of them. Tatiana does however fit. I think people exaggerate the height issue. They can't be that far off. If anything it is more reliable than matching pictures of faces with skulls that have most of the face missing. Considering the newly found girl was 5'2, I don't see how it could be any clearer, really. It's just being made more difficult than it needs to be.

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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008, 02:45:32 PM »
I'm too lazy to write up a full explanation because I'm not nearly as interested in this stuff as I used to be (quite frankly, they're all there now, so what?) but here's what Livadia.org's Missing? site says about the issue:

If Marie is No. 5 and Tatiana is No. 6 ~ then the height for No. 6 is wrong.
If Tatiana is No. 5 and Maria is No. 6 ~ then the height for No. 6 is wrong.
If Tatiana is No. 5 and Anastasia is No. 6 ~ then the height for No. 6 is wrong.
If Anastasia is No. 5 and Tatiana is No. 6 ~ then both heights are wrong.
Is Maria is No. 5 and Anastasia is No. 6 ~ then the height for No. 6 is wrong.
If Anastasia is No. 5 and Maria is No. 6 ~ then both heights are wrong.

Where's a news outlet that says the height of the missing daughter that's now found?  I had no clue that was "out" yet.  (And it sucks, if it's Anastasia, then she was 3" taller than me.  AAARG.  And everyone goes on about how she was short... ;))

I also think this is an issue of who's your "favorite".  A lot of the people who love Anastasia will say, She was missing!  Those who like Maria will be more likely to say, No, it was Maria Nikolaevna!

Again, all we know conclusively is that Olga was there.  Now that the other skeleton (or bits of it? I don't know how much was there, etc) is there I hope we'll be able to figure it out.  At least we won't have to deal with the Anna Anderson was Anastasia Nikolaevna! junk.  Unless they say how the skeleton was planted or something by the evil Russians... ;)

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Re: Serious Height Issue
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2010, 08:48:28 AM »
In centimetres please :)  I have no slightest idea of how long an inch is.,

This is very off topic, heehee, but when I was little I would remember an inch about the size of your thumb.....Hope this helps?
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How sadly you would we