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Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« on: July 01, 2008, 05:34:19 PM »
Hello!

I write very big and serious letter on the successor of Russian throne. I hope that my clause is pleasant to you. I hope that you will leave this letter at this forum.

I live in Russia in which history there was Russian empire. Therefore the question on the successor of Russian throne very much me interests. I have read many different materials of very serious authors which the question on successors of Russian throne and Russian imperial family too interests. I wish to tell, that there are many different points of view on this theme. Therefore I wish to tell to you about the monarchic organizations existing in Russia. In Russia many the monarchic organizations, thus each of them has the sight at problems of inheritance of Russian throne.

One of these monarchic organizations supports descendants of grand duke Cyril Vladimirovich. This is Vladimir Kirillovich with wife Leonida, daughter Maria and grandson George. Only the family of Grand duke Cyril Vladimirovich is considered the unique heir-at-law of Russian imperial family and Russian imperial throne. But there are some very serious monarchic organizations which deny the rights Maria and its son George on Russian imperial throne. I wish to tell about their arguments against Maria Vladimirovna and her son George.

First, their ancestor grand duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich was a member of Russian imperial family and the native brother of Russian emperor Alexander III. Except for family of Tsar Alexander III, grand duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich was most close to Russian imperial throne. But Grand duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich had very serious disagreements with imperial family. Vladimir Aleksandrovich married German princess who has taken a new name Maria Pavlovna. But there is one small "but". The wife of grand duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich was the Lutheran and has refused to pass in Russian Orthodox Church. This problem has seriously complicated chances Vladimir Aleksandrovich to borrow Russian imperial throne because Russian imperial throne can be borrowed only by prince who is brought up as orthodox Russian, and still also married to orthodox Russian princess. But Maria Pavlovna remained the Lutheran still long time. Only in 1908 she has accepted Orthodoxy. On a twist of fate, serious and terrible illness of the successor of Tsar Nicholas II was the unique reason of transition Maria Pavlovna from a Lutheranism in Orthodoxy. This circumstance gave the certain chance to son of Vladimir Aleksandrovich and Maria Pavlovna Cyril Vladimirovich to borrow Russian imperial throne in case of death of Alexei and scandalous and morganatic marriage of the brother of Tsar Nicholas II.

Secondly, Cyril Vladimirovich has made the roughest mistake when he married the cousin. Under laws of Russian Orthodox Church cousins cannot marry, because such marriages are very close to incest. Sovereign Nicholas II was categorically against such marriage. When this marriage became the come to pass fact, Sovereign Nicholas II has told, that cannot recognize this marriage and deprives their posterity of the right to inheritance of Russian imperial throne.

Thirdly, Cyril Vladimirovich has betraid Russian imperial family and Russian monarchy. In 1917 this grand duke had efficient Russian divisions of guards and had magnificent chances to liquidate the Petersburg disorders and revolts, but he has come over to the party of revolution. Thus, Russian imperial family has got the Egalite.

Fourthly, the son of grand duke Cyril Vladimirovich Vladimir married the Georgian woman who had very doubtful reputation and not less doubtful origin. Its wife worked in a night club as the dancer. Her first husband was the rich American businessman who was very close to those financial circles which have supported Russian revolution and overthrow of an imperial monarchy. Her native sister was the wife of Stalinist executioner Beria. This person bears the responsibility for sufferings of tens millions Russian people in the Siberian state camps. Vladimir Kirillovich secretly married the Georgian woman in one orthodox (Serbian, instead of Russian!) churches in Switzerland. But their marriage cannot be equal. Thus, Vladimir Kirillovich and his father had no rights to Russian imperial throne.

Fifthly, their daughter Maria Vladimirovna occurs from a left-handed marriage and has no rights to Russian imperial throne.

Sixthly, Maria is a member of Prussian royal family and the German imperial house owing to its marriage for Prussian prince. Maria should carry surname Hohenzollern. In this situation Maria cannot be the head of the Russian imperial house.

Seventhly, son of Maria and her Prussian husband is a member of Prussian royal family and the German imperial house. His present name is George Hohenzollern. Therefore George Hohenzollern cannot be a member of the Russian imperial house.

In-eighth, in case of employment of Russian imperial throne by George Hohenzollern the Prussian royal family and the German imperial house will start to reign in Russia.

In-ninth, the Russian imperial house has almost stopped the existence because almost all descendants of Russian tsars and grand dukes are married left-handed marriages and have lost the rights to Russian imperial throne.

In-tenth, it is senseless to search for the successor of Russian imperial throne among descendants of Russian great princesses who have married the European princes and have taken a new name (and can be, still also send from Orthodoxy to other belief). Such descendants much also should be not less than 100.




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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 05:35:00 PM »
But there are still also some other monarchic organizations.

It is the All-Russia Monarchic Center which considers, that the German princes (Oldenburg dukes) are heir-at-laws of Russian imperial family and Russian imperial throne.

This Russian Imperial Home guard which considers, that only the God knows, who the successor of Russian throne, that only the God will give Tsar for Russian people, that only the God knows, when Russia will restore the monarchy. These monarchists are opponents of transfer of Russian imperial throne to any European sovereign family, and still also consider legitimist ideas senseless and nothing meaning. They consider that if to follow each letter of legitimist laws, Russia can receive tsar from any European aristocrats who can not know Russia, Russian people, Russian orthodox belief, Russian culture, Russian outlook and etc.

I think, you consider Maria and her son as heir-at-laws of Russian imperial throne because you know only about them. But I have small remarks in this occasion. I think, the majority of participants of Royal Forums lives not in Russia, therefore, probably, many of them do not know, how problems of inheritance of Russian imperial throne are considered in Russia. Thus much serious authors do not consider Maria and her son as successors of Russian imperial family and successors of Russian imperial throne. I wish to tell about very serious arguments against Maria and her son George as successors of Russian imperial throne.

First, I have read through many serious materials of very serious authors which very seriously were interested in problems of inheritance of Russian imperial throne. Alas, all authors of these materials always are firm opponents of a nominee of Maria and her son, as successors of Russian imperial throne.

Secondly, I saw a photocopy of the resolution of Sovereign Nikolas II in which he is written, that Sovereign cannot recognize marriage of Cyril Vladimirovich and his cousin because marriage between the cousin brother and the sister is an incest under laws of Russian Orthodox Church. The posterity from its marriage has been deprived the right to Russian imperial title, it received only a title of princes and the annual maintenance. Therefore their son cannot be the successor of Russian imperial throne because has been deprived such rights at will of Sovereign Emperor.

Thirdly, it is necessary to consider Vladimir Kirillovich's marriage on its Georgian woman. I wish to tell, that Leonida occurs from an ancient nobiliary sort which is a collateral line of a dynasty of the Georgian tsars. I wish to tell, that at connection of Georgia to Russia in 1783 the Georgian population of all estates automatically became the citizen of the Russian sovereigns. Therefore descendants of the Georgian tsars became citizens of the Russian sovereigns. Therefore marriages between members of Russian imperial family and descendants of the Georgian tsars cannot be equal. I wish to tell about marriage of great princess of imperial blood and the representative of this most Georgian sort. This marriage has been recognized not equal, therefore great princess has refused the rights to Russian imperial throne. After a while the escaped members of Russian imperial family have appeared in emigration after revolution and overthrows of a monarchy. After a while Grand duke Cyril has proclaimed itself emperor, and this grand duke HAS been deprived SUCH RIGHTS AT WILL of SOVEREIGN. Its son Vladimir was only the son of grand duke who HAS been deprived SUCH RIGHTS AT WILL of SOVEREIGN. What rights to a nonexistent throne Vladimir who was only the son of grand duke Cyril, DEPRIVED SUCH RIGHTS AT WILL of SOVEREIGN has? This Vladimir has written a paper in which recognizes descendants of the Georgian tsars equal to NONEXISTENT Russian imperial family. After that Vladimir married the Georgian woman. Therefore daughter of Vladimir and Leonida has no rights to a nonexistent Russian imperial throne.

The All-Russia Monarchic Center is one of such monarchic organizations. Monarchists from the All-Russia Monarchic Center consider, that the Russian Imperial House does not exist. They consider, that the name national Russian imperial dynasties (Romanovs) has been taken by the German sovereign house of Holstein-Hottorp. The representative of this German family was the nephew of empress Elizabeth which was the daughter of Russian tsar Peter I. Peter I had two daughters Elizabeth and Anna. Elizabeth was Russian Empress in 1740 1761. Its younger sister Anna has married German prince from Holstein-Hottorp at home. They had a son who became Emperor Peter III. Peter III and its wife Ekaterina (the future Russian empress) were Germans by birth. Their son and grandsons still also married the German princesses. Only wife Alexander III was the Danish princess. Last Russian Emperor Nikolay II was Russian of all on 1/256, and still also was married to the German princess. Their children were Russian of all on 1/512. As a matter of fact, Germans reigned in Russia till 1917. Therefore monarchists from the All-Russia Monarchic Center consider Oldenburg Dukes as close relatives Holstein-Hottorp of the house. Therefore monarchists from the All-Russia Monarchic Center consider Oldenburg Dukes as heir-at-laws of Russian Imperial Family and Russian Imperial Throne.

But still also there is other monarchic organization which refers to as Russian Imperial Home guard. Monarchists from Russian Imperial Home guard are categorical opponents of the invitation of any European sovereign family on Russian throne. These monarchists consider, that only the God knows, who the successor of Russian imperial throne, that only the God knows, when Russia will restore the monarchy, that only the God will give Tsar for Russian people. Therefore these monarchists are opponents legitimist laws because consider, that if to follow each letter of legitimist laws, Russia can receive tsar from any European sovereign family which can not know Russian, Russian orthodox belief, Russian culture, Russian traditions and customs and similar to volume.

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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 06:11:46 PM »
Very interesting article! I would have to agree with you! not that i was thinking any different! Maria doesn't have a claim any more say then anyone else for that matter!

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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 06:33:48 PM »
General Alexander Spiridovitch, Chief of Secret Security Police to the Emperor, in his Memoirs states as a matter of fact that Nicholas II asked Minister of Justice Tcheglovitov to prepare a report about succession rights to the Valdimirovich descendants.  The report stated without a question that because Maria Pavlovna was not Pravoslavnaya on the day she was married, her children had no succession rights.  The Ukaze issued by Alexander II giving consent when Vladimir married Maria Pavlovna stipulated specifically that ONLY Vladimir kept his rights, not his children.  Tcheglovitov was clear in the report that none of the Vladimirovtichi had succession rights to the Imperial Russian Throne because her adoption of Orthodoxy decades later was not "retroactive" because her sons were born to a non Pravoslavnaya mother.  I hope that this document still might exist in GARF and one day it will be found. Spiridovitch was most clear that there were THREE copies of his report, one for Nicholas II, one was sent to Maria Pavlovna, and the third retained in his records.

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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 08:09:48 PM »
Well that case is closed and over with! Thank God!

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 01:17:32 PM »
Interesting page. I hope the report can be found if only to knock this particular branch of the tree once and for all
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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 07:20:36 AM »
General Alexander Spiridovitch, Chief of Secret Security Police to the Emperor, in his Memoirs states as a matter of fact that Nicholas II asked Minister of Justice Tcheglovitov to prepare a report about succession rights to the Valdimirovich descendants.  The report stated without a question that because Maria Pavlovna was not Pravoslavnaya on the day she was married, her children had no succession rights.  The Ukaze issued by Alexander II giving consent when Vladimir married Maria Pavlovna stipulated specifically that ONLY Vladimir kept his rights, not his children.  Tcheglovitov was clear in the report that none of the Vladimirovtichi had succession rights to the Imperial Russian Throne because her adoption of Orthodoxy decades later was not "retroactive" because her sons were born to a non Pravoslavnaya mother.  I hope that this document still might exist in GARF and one day it will be found. Spiridovitch was most clear that there were THREE copies of his report, one for Nicholas II, one was sent to Maria Pavlovna, and the third retained in his records.
I've never heard this before. What's your source?

from here:
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For persons born during the monarchy, it is simple to determine whether they were dynasts. One need simply consult the last annual official court calendar, published in 1917, which provided the names of each and every living dynast, with male dynasts listed by their order in the line of succession to the throne. Grand Duke Kirill was listed in the last court calendar as third in line to the throne. In addition, two of the Grand Duke Kirill's children, Maria and Kira, were born during the monarchy, and both are listed in the court calendar; the third child, Wladimir, was born in August 1917, shortly after the fall of the monarchy and the publication of the last official court calendar. Thus, the Grand Duke Kirill and his children were dynasts and therefore in the line of succession.

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In 1908, the Grand Duke Kirill's mother converted from the Lutheran faith to Orthodoxy, and on 10 April 1908 Nicholas II issued a manifesto announcing his joy at the conversion and giving his aunt the title of "Orthodox Grand Duchess". The decree stated: "Our beloved aunt, the Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna…by the inclination of her soul has wished to unite herself to us in the faith and in the communion of prayers and the sacraments. Today, to our great joy, she has received our faith and been anointed. In announcing to all our faithful subjects this much desired event, we ordain that Her Imperial Highness be titled Orthodox Grand Duchess."

Also, it seems rather questionable that this report was first heard of in a memoir published in 1928. Perhaps the General had a grudge against the Vladimirovichi line and was unhappy to see them claim the title of Emperor and hence fabricated the idea of this report? From what I've read GD Vladimir was quite an unpleasant man.
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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 08:42:41 AM »
My source is "Les Dernieres Annees de la Cour a Tzarskoie Selo" by Alexander Spiridovitch, Chief of Secret Personal Security for HIM Nicholas II.  I doubt he made it up, there was no point in doing so for him. 

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 08:57:40 AM »
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I doubt he made it up, there was no point in doing so for him.

Like I said, he could have been motivated to make it up out of dislike for the Vladimirovichi line. Moreover, if what the General is suggesting as true, why did the Emperor reinstate GD Kirill in 1908, when he was 3rd in line. Even the fact that they were in the line of succession right up until the end of the monarchy... the claims of the General just don't seem credible in light of the actions of the Emperor himself. Strangely enough I haven't even heard Prince Nicholas Romanovski bring this up in order to deprive GD Maria of her claimant to the non-existent Throne. Also, at what date was this report depriving the Vladimirovichi of their sucession rights written?
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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 10:12:33 AM »
I think I would agree with richard_1990, there were lots of grudges after the end of the monarchy and the Vladimrovhi were  not what one would call the most popular  in the Romanov pot. Alexandra in particular hated  them, so her partisans would have had no affection for them.  As Spiridovitch was devoted to the  Emperor & Emperor, I would not think him terribly objective either.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2009, 10:16:03 AM »
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The report stated without a question that because Maria Pavlovna was not Pravoslavnaya on the day she was married, her children had no succession rights.
From what I'm aware of, it was only required that the Tsarevich marry an Orthodox woman. Those who were not in direct line of succession were not subject to this rule.

I contacted ImperialHouse.ru in regards to the marriage, I uploaded reply because it was too big to paste (it's translated from Russian to English): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AXLK5P15
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2009, 06:05:18 PM »
Here it is!

Part 1


ARTICLE MA ALEXANDROV on articles 185 and rule 54 "
Opponents Rossiyskogo Imperial House abroad have long sought to
challenge the legitimate rights of the Head of the Dynasty. Naturally,
for this purpose, they used a wrong interpretation of the Russian
laws. However, it is not as easy as it might seem. The fact that the
law of succession is so unambiguous and specific, that leaves no
opportunity for tampering. A firm and inviolable order of succession
to the throne was established Imperial Act of Emperor Paul I of 5
April 1797 for the specific purpose which the legislator has defined
as: "that there was no doubt who inherit." No wonder that the enemies
are forced to fend Dynasty dubious gossip about the moral aspect
moderated. Kn. Cyril Vladimirovich, gleaned from the memoirs of the
February revolutionaries and traitors, content with "evidence" was
born in 1917 Tikhon Kulikovsky or identify the origin of the first
wife's first husband was moderated. Duchess Leonida Georgievna.
But there is one article of Russian Laws, which has long enjoyed a
special love counterfeiters - Article 185. Its perverse interpretation
and citation out of context, occupies a prominent place in the
ideological arsenal of the enemies of the Dynasty. It looks like this:
"Marriage is a male person of the Imperial House, may have a right to
inherit the throne, with a special friend of faith committed not only
as to the perception of its Orthodox faith."
Wife moderated. Kn. Cyril's was not Orthodox at marriage. His father,
Vel. Kn. Vladimir married and not Orthodox. Accordingly, forgers put
forward this version: as art. 185 calls from persons who may have the
right to the throne to marry only in Orthodox, then, consequently,
those who fails to comply with this requirement, right to the throne
can not have.
Indeed, if Art. 185 viewed out of context, might give the impression
that the law requires all members of the Imperial House, a male to
marry only in Orthodox Christians, for they are all in principle "may
be entitled to inherit the throne." But how then to explain the Grand
Dukes marriages with non-committed by the pleasure of the Emperor? The
fact that there is art. 184, which states: "At the assent of the
reigning emperor, members of the Imperial House may marry as a
particularly Orthodox faith, and with the heretics." In such marriages
are entered, for example, the Grand Duke Vladimir Alexandrovich,
Konstantin Konstantinovich, Sergei Aleksandrovich.
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Love the brotherhood.
Fear God.
Honour the king.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2009, 06:06:26 PM »
Part 2

To whom are the requirements of Art. 185? For a correct understanding
of the laws is necessary to consider their application in practice,
because the supreme legislator and guardian of the laws was the
Emperor. Moreover, articles about members of the Imperial House
nuptials were given in place directly by the Emperor - by virtue of
Art. 183 for each such marriages should Highest Assent. The
requirement of Art. 185 brought only to the heir, ie to those who have
the right of succession to the throne could immediately implement.
In this connection it should be noted that talking about the right to
the throne may be in two senses. So, right to the throne, as such,
have all members of the dynasty, and at the same time the direct right
to the throne can only have some one. The first is given to all
members of the dynasty of birth, the second - only the possibility,
which possess the heir. Art. 185 says it is about the possibility, and
the person to whom drawn to its requirements, indicated in the
singular. Thus Art. 184 allows all members of the Imperial House of
marriages with persons of any religion, and 185 sets special high
requirements to a person or, at the discretion of the Emperor, to the
specific narrow circle of persons having a direct opportunity to
succession.
Emperor Nicholas I, who established art. 185, seeking to ensure the
future of Orthodoxy wife of the Emperor, did not introduce a new
religious requirements for succession to the throne - having made it,
it would create an obstacle for many, the alleged law of succession to
the Imperial. Paul. He went the other way and allowed his task,
limiting the scope of disciplinary relationships within the family
names. Introduced them to art. 185 contains no requirement for the
succession, and to inherit the wedding parties. Thus not with the
Orthodox wedding special offers right to the throne, but on the
contrary: the ability to have such a right is a cause for claims art.
185.
It provides a significant and almost sufficient guarantee of orthodoxy
as possible Empress. If, by virtue of any vicissitudes, right to the
throne open for the person who has a non-Christian spouse, then such
provision will be temporary, transient, for the following heirs again
enters into force Art. 185. In practice, the probability of the non
wife of Emperor negligible.
Interestingly, Art. 184, with non-permissive marriage has a link to
the source - the Act of August 18, 1721, placed in the Assembly under
the Laws of 3814 and represents a "Message of the Holy Synod of the
Orthodox - the smooth entry into marriage with a gentile." The message
it contains lots of examples of acceptable and godly marriage with
gentiles, beginning with the Old Testament, the most interesting
examples of the acceptability of such a marriage for the Orthodox
Tsars: "John Lascaris, the King of Greek, had a wife Princess of
Sicily, the Latin confession. Andronikos Palaiologos poyal as his wife
Princess Gishpanskuyu.
Today is very cool in every way to blaspheme Peter 1 and its Synod and
praise of Nicholas I for the restoration of the Orthodox Monarchy,
shattered by Peter. However, the mentioned act was taken by Nicholas I
to justify the article chaconne, introduced them, together with the
article. 185.
The law does not put obstacles to the throne to marry a foreign and
for their offspring - it just involves a situation where the person
called to succession Art. 35 considers the case when the right to the
throne will pass to the descendants of female Dynasty, and comes to a
person belonging to another kingdom home to practice their faith. Is
clear that such a person has and the non parents. In order to exercise
its right to this candidate for the throne should adopt the Orthodox
faith "with the heir" - the wife is such a requirement is not
presented. Note that the law does not preclude the Throne of the
person, which is itself at the time of the opening for his succession
to the throne does not confess Orthodoxy, and gives him the
opportunity to meet a religious requirement for accession to the
throne.
The text of Art. 185 allows you to put the question in only one plane:
to what exactly those drawn to its instruction. Of course, the real
Russian lawyers to understand the laws of the revolution is not
backwards, and in direct response to their text. For example, prof. A.
Gradovsky wrote: "The marriage of Grand Duke Vladimir Alexandrovich of
the Princess of Mecklenburg, now the Grand Duchess Mary Pavlovna, not
Orthodox, should give rise to the interpretation that the adoption of
the Orthodox faith is required from foreign female individuals only if
they enter into marriage with a person having a direct right of
Succession.
Bring this passage we have an opportunity through the article, Mr.
Selishcheva ( "Literary Russia" 30'94). in which the author tried to
prove with the help of this text, something quite the opposite, in the
spirit of parsed our interpretations. We have to thank my colleagues
for providing valuable material and advise him to at least understand
the content contained quotations.
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Love the brotherhood.
Fear God.
Honour the king.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2009, 06:07:23 PM »
and finally Part 3!



We shall touch upon another point, related to marital status
moderated. Kn. Kirill Vladimirovich. As you know, his wedding, held on
September 25, 1905, was committed without the permission of the
Emperor, as a violation of Art. 183 and therefore the marriage was
declared illegal. However, in 1907, nominative Decree of 15 July was
chaired by the wife. Kn. Cyril Vladimirovich, born by this time
daughter were referred to as the Imperial House. Mr. Selishchev
states: "The fact that Nicholas II was subsequently recognized the
official status of the daughter of Cyril and Victoria Melita - Mary
does not change the fact, without eliminating the initial violation
Cyril Art. 183. Is this true?
First, this "official status" was not in anything, but included among
the Imperial House, and not only her daughter, but her mother, Vel.
Duchess Victoria Feodorovna, which Mr. Selishchev in the best
traditions of Soviet patriotism and calls her a German name.
Secondly, membership of the Imperial House assumes the origin of the
legitimate dynastic marriage, because Art. 126 reads: "All persons
have taken place from the Imperial Blood in the law, permitted by the
reigning Emperor of marriage with a person, respectively, on the
origin of dignity, recognized members of the Imperial House."
Thus included among the Imperial House is fundamentally "changes the
essence of the matter" and means nothing more than legalized marriage
with an acknowledgment of his dynastic dignity Appointment Ordinance
1907, in fact and is to "eliminate the initial breach."
The fact that the question of the legality of marriage is (by virtue
of Art. 183) in the competence of the Emperor, and he has the
inalienable right to eliminate the defect, depending on his will. A
similar situation existed with marriage Wei. Kn. Michael, which took
place in 1912, also without the permission of the Emperor. In March
1915 this marriage was considered legitimate, but the Emperor could
not at all desire to do it and consider a dynastic husband and son
Vel. Prince of the Imperial House, because the spouse did not have
"appropriate for the origin of dignity", and the law on equal marriage
has been intact for the emperor himself. Tsar Nicholas II might have
an illegal marriage legal, but none of the Emperor could not make the
children of the marriage neravnorodnyh any of the members of the
Romanov Imperial House, not to mention the late Mr. Kulikov and no
surviving spouse.
Another interesting fact associated with marriage moderated. Kn. Cyril
and serves as the subject of all sorts of insinuations, lies in the
fact that the wife was his cousin, and was the reason why the Emperor
and did not allow the marriage. True, the Goth as Mr. Selishchev wrote
that "in July 1904 the Holy Synod has allowed such marriages, but only
under very special to the circumstances and causes. Of course, - he
continued - a whim of the Grand Duke Cyril very little resemblance to
what some special reason ... " Apparently recognizing that marriage
name. Nicholas II also can not be responsible for recognition of his
Mr. Selnschevym.
Speaking on the prohibition of such marriages by the canons of the
Church, refer to Rule 54 VI Ecumenical Council. But here is what I
wrote on this subject, Metropolitan Anthony (Khrapovitsky) in a letter
to Count YP Grabbe: "Still in his early youth, I knew about the
existence of church-state law prohibiting marriage with a cousin, and
was sure that it is based on express prohibition of the Ecumenical
Councils. But recently, our Russian best canonist Subotitskogo
University Professor SV Troitsky told me that in the decisions of the
Ecumenical and Local Councils of this interdiction not. interdiction
of marriage to the degree of relationship is described in 54 Rule VI
Ecumenical Council, and I really, carefully read this rule, saw that
there is no such interdiction, though, as I had heard before, and
remembered only now, some canonists are trying to prove, though
mentioned in the rules of the word "eksadelfi" means not only the
niece and cousin sister. (As you can see, Mitra. Anthony read this
rule in the Greek original, as in modern Russian translation is
"cousin" - MA). On this word a lot, wrote the late Professor Univ.
Spirit. Lavrov Academy, later Archbishop of Lithuanian Alexy. But the
question is an open, even more - the canon remains with the conviction
that the Rules Conciliar no interdiction to marry a cousin. " (
"Letters of Metropolitan Anthony, Jordanville, 1988, p. 172).
As you can see, it is quite obvious that the innuendo spread by
enemies of the Imperial House Rossiyskogo about marriage moderated.
Kn. Cyril's completely devoid
Honour all men.
Love the brotherhood.
Fear God.
Honour the king.
1 Peter 2:17

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Re: Maria Vladimirovna hadn't any rights to the Russian Throne
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 02:13:18 AM »
Thank you Ilias_of_John,

I have read this argument before.

The main point that is often ignored is that Kirill endorsed the Provisional Government before Nikolaii II abdicated, instead of finding some means to protect the Throne, including all the rights and priviledges that flowed with it. In so doing, he breached his "Oath of Alllegience", which he enunciated in the Church before witnesses.

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