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The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« on: July 17, 2008, 09:00:06 AM »
REUTERS:
By James Kilner
updated 10:42 a.m. CT, Wed., July. 16, 2008

YEKATERINBURG, Russia - Russia said on Wednesday that charred remains found in a pit belonged to Czar Nicholas II's only son and his daughter, exactly 90 years after the Bolsheviks shocked the world by murdering the last Czar.

Moscow's confirmation that the remains included those of Czar Nicholas' 13-year-old heir, Prince Alexei, came as hundreds of Russians flocked to a church built on the site where the family was gunned down by Bolshevik executioners.

Nicholas II, lampooned by the Soviets as a failure, is considered by many Russians today as a martyr and presented as a symbol of the imperial glory which many now seek to recapture.I
n a sign of renewed interest in the imperial past, the last Czar is in first place in an Internet poll to select the greatest Russians, having overtaken Soviet dictator Josef Stalin this week.

"He is a symbol of a great and powerful Russia who also did great things for the country," 18-year-old Yevgeny Chindyasky said at the Church on the Blood where Russian Orthodox believers gathered to mark the 90th anniversary of the Czar's execution.

The Bolsheviks shot the Czar and his family on the night of July 16-17, 1918, in the basement of a merchant's house in the city of Yekaterinburg, 1,450 km (900 miles) east of Moscow.

The bodies of Russia's imperial rulers were burnt, doused in acid to make subsequent identification difficult and dumped in pits without a proper Orthodox burial.

Remains believed to belong to the Czar, his wife and three of his daughters were exhumed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were reburied in 1998 in the imperial crypt of the St. Peter and Paul Cathedral in St Petersburg.

But Prince Alexei Nikolayevich and 19-year-old Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna were not among those remains.

Last year bone fragments and teeth belonging to two young people were found about 77 yards away from the site where Russia's imperial rulers had been buried.

Teeth and fillings
Forensic scientists said molar teeth and amalgam fillings found with the new remains matched those found among the remains of the other members of the royal family.

Scull fragments showed injuries consistent with bullet wounds. Numerous genetic tests showed the remains of both groups belonged to one family group.

"The overall scientific results, which were based on DNA tests using three genetic systems, agrees with the hypothesis that in the second burial site the remains of Grand Duchess Maria and Tsarevich Alexei have been found," the Prosecutor-General's Office said in a statement.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Kremlin and many Russians have sought to reconnect with their pre-revolutionary past.

President Dmitry Medvedev has said he admires Nicholas II, whom many historians blame for being too weak and setting Russia on a path to civil war and dictatorship.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 01:32:07 PM »
i am glad they have been found now the IF can rest in peace together

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 02:53:34 PM »
Does anyone know if they plan on publishing the results and if so, when? Otherwise there could be speculation as to their methods and other things...

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 04:51:52 PM »
Just watched the program on C5 in the UK. well that wrap sit up at last. All members accounted for and ow only to bury the last two with the rest of their family.

DNA shows remains children of Tsar and thus Alexis and Anastasia (or Maria).

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2008, 08:22:15 AM »
Just watched the program on C5 in the UK. well that wrap sit up at last. All members accounted for and ow only to bury the last two with the rest of their family.


i watched it too aparently the church are desperate to bury the IF together.

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2008, 10:29:14 AM »
Having just watched the documentry on channel 5 in the UK I felt very moved.

At last the IF can rest in peace together without conspiracy or speculation.

The intrigue and mystery that surrounds the legend of this wonderful family will always be of public interest. But perhaps now fact and respect will over take the undignified lies and speculation surrounding their tragic deaths.

 

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2008, 10:42:49 AM »
Sorry for going the topic off, I am so glad story is closed, but I have never seen any pic. of their remains.
Only saw parts of Aleksei's shirt believd he wore when he was murdered.....
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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2008, 10:53:01 AM »
Sorry for going the topic off, I am so glad story is closed, but I have never seen any pic. of their remains.
Only saw parts of Aleksei's shirt believd he wore when he was murdered.....

To be honest I wouldn't know if I will be up for pictures, the first time I saw pictures of the remains of Nicky, Alix, the girls and their servants I didn't feel that good. Just because we knew what they had to endure, it might be just their mortal remains, but those remains were part of that tragedy, and a part of the lives that were lived until that night. And to pictures of the shirt, I never heard about them. I am curious to be honest, but I know me, I wouldn't feel well watching them. It would feel like watching pictures of someone dying, like I would be looking into someone's final moments.
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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2008, 11:28:35 AM »
The story is running in the US on National Geographic Explorer channel, it was on last night but will be shown a few more times

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/3109/Overview/?source=4003

At the end they showed the DNA results as charts on paper. Looks like they used nuclear DNA of N and A to match to that of the kids. No mention of the Hessian/Victorian mtDNA but that doesn't mean it wasn't used also. The results clearly showed there were one male and one female child who were siblings and both the biological children of N and A. They said it was impossible to know if the girl was Maria or Anastasia, but what mattered most is that they are all accounted for now.


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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2008, 01:00:14 PM »
I am so glad they have accounted for all of the Romanov's even though it is sad that we now know for sure that none of them survived. I didn't even know about the results until I just watched "Finding Anastasia" on National Geographic. I almost cried because finally they can all be together!

I am pleased to see how the Americans remain open minded and can scientifically state they cannot ID whether the newly discovered daughter is Anastasia or Maria....the Russian's have no idea either but they seem dead set on it being Maria. Does it even matter now? We know they ALL died that terrible night and now they can be together in death. That's all anyone could have hoped for.

Rest Forever In Peace Nicholas, Alexandra, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei....you'll be forever remembered!

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2008, 01:36:25 PM »
I am so glad they have accounted for all of the Romanov's even though it is sad that we now know for sure that none of them survived. I didn't even know about the results until I just watched "Finding Anastasia" on National Geographic. I almost cried because finally they can all be together!

I am pleased to see how the Americans remain open minded and can scientifically state they cannot ID whether the newly discovered daughter is Anastasia or Maria....the Russian's have no idea either but they seem dead set on it being Maria. Does it even matter now? We know they ALL died that terrible night and now they can be together in death. That's all anyone could have hoped for.

Rest Forever In Peace Nicholas, Alexandra, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei....you'll be forever remembered!

Been reading Nicholas and Alexandra: The Last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia, which I bought a few weeks ago. On page 380, there's a photograph of a small fragment of wallpaper with a stain of blood that was found by those investigating the death of the family a few weeks later. Above the stain is an inscription supposedly written the night of the killings in Germany from "Besatzar".

Can't get that photograph out of my mind.

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2008, 01:55:20 PM »
DO you know where it is possible to purchase that book from?

I've had a look all over the internet but couldn't find it.

many thanks

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2008, 01:58:18 PM »
DO you know where it is possible to purchase that book from?

I've had a look all over the internet but couldn't find it.

many thanks


http://www.amazon.com/Nicholas-Alexandra-Imperial-Family-Tsarist/dp/B000GR22GW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216839460&sr=1-2

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2008, 02:02:37 PM »
Amazon is exactly where I got mine from a few weeks ago; the copies are used but in excellent condition, and I ended up paying $11.13 plus postage.

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2008, 02:07:19 PM »
perfect,thanks very much

couldn't see for looking !