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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #225 on: May 21, 2016, 08:37:24 PM »
Officially yes the story is closed but in actual fact the story is ongoing and proven so far by photo facts that show Royal Bloodline Descent has posted the inherited DNA markers of Nicholas 11 and two of his children so inherited are on RBD web page on facebook.

As to any confusion mentioned Royal Bloodline Descent are not experts in DNA only experts in photo facts of the royal inherited earlobe markers, but our experts in DNA are respected geneticist who advise to inherit the said earlobe markers one Must share the same DNA ancestor.  As to Maria or Anastasia , Marie did not show the  DNA visible markers from birth as did her Brother Alexei. but Anastasia did.  We would appreciate if you feel you can provide us and any other member who may be following the subject matter with the written report of Dr Terri Milton.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #226 on: May 21, 2016, 09:21:42 PM »
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As to any confusion mentioned Royal Bloodline Descent are not experts in DNA only experts in photo facts of the royal inherited earlobe markers, but our experts in DNA are respected geneticist who advise to inherit the said earlobe markers one Must share the same DNA ancestor.  As to Maria or Anastasia , Marie did not show the  DNA visible markers from birth as did her Brother Alexei. but Anastasia did.  We would appreciate if you feel you can provide us and any other member who may be following the subject matter with the written report of Dr Terri Milton.

If your "experts" say that 'to inherit the said earlobe markers one Must share the same DNA ancestor', they are not experts. That is wrong. Very wrong.  Totally misleading. Rubbish. Hogwash.

As for your statement that 'Marie did not show the  DNA visible markers from birth as did her Brother Alexei. but Anastasia did.' What do you infer from that?  That Maria and Anastasia were not sisters?  That is wrong too.

The original papers, that were no doubt referred to by Dr Teri Milton, are available through these links:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0004838#pone-0004838-g003 .
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/13/5258.abstract

I have tried to explain the rudiments of DNA to you, but if you will not listen to reason (and scientific facts) there is no more to be said.

This is a scientific and historic reference site and your statements are misleading, unhistorical and unscientific.



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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #227 on: May 22, 2016, 01:27:15 AM »
It is not of interst to discuss further this subject matter with you as one cannot communicate with the other person who uses words such as Total misleading . Rubbish and Hogwash.

As to your second paragraph (Quote )  As for statement that Maria did not show the DNA markers from birth as did her brother Alexi, but Anastasia did. what did you infer from that? That Marie and Anastasia were not sisters? That is wrong too.  We are not sure how you came to that misunderstanding but that is your opinion not ours

RBD will conclude by saying we have a mutual respect for the Romanov murdered family and we have provided photo proof of fact and one can accept or reject the other parties opinion  in the matter of what RBD has presented so far  comments provided are what they are. Thank you for your opinion on these matters our communication is now concluded.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #228 on: May 22, 2016, 04:52:53 AM »
The various sets of remains were identified as members of the same family via mDNA, which passes unchanged down the female line. This method of identification had to be used because only bones and teeth had survived.  The Duke of Edinburgh, whose maternal grandmother was Alexandra's sister, provided an mDNA match for Alexandra and all five children. The only way in which Maria could have had different mDNA from Alexei and Anastasia is if she had a different mother.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #229 on: May 22, 2016, 11:05:26 AM »
I understand DNA far more than "rudiments".  I suggest you study English with more interest than DNA. Your claim that one daughter did not share some ludicrous "earlobe" marker as yet "UNKNOWN" and UNPROVEN is HOGWASH. There is no respect for utter speculation without scientific background. Take your spurious claims to the unintelligent. Learn to write proper English. Your grammar and vocabulary are out of Google Translate.

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« Reply #230 on: May 22, 2016, 01:55:54 PM »
Childish manners and crude remarks are are not expected from intelligent persons but you know the answer to that statement.  We are not sure what you mean by saying I know what side your theories are on?  We would be interested to know your meaning .

Royal Bloodline Descent function is to bring forth facts that so far have been proven real and untouched photographs.  We face reality but we do not understand your outbursts  and negativity might it be you have accepted our information as true?.  RBD function is to present what is fact and not fiction but there are those who will deny anything that does not go by the way another may see a situation , we are open to other people views right or wrong  and as you can tell it is very hard for RBD to falsify photos found on various web sights including the well respected Alexander Palace.

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I understand DNA far more than "rudiments".  I suggest you study English with more interest than DNA. Your claim that one daughter did not share some ludicrous "earlobe" marker as yet "UNKNOWN" and UNPROVEN is HOGWASH. There is no respect for utter speculation without scientific background. Take your spurious claims to the unintelligent. Learn to write proper English. Your grammar and vocabulary are out of Google Translate.

"Proper Grammar is the difference between "knowing your shit" and "knowing you're shit". 

I know which side you and your theories are on.


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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #231 on: May 22, 2016, 06:36:48 PM »
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Royal Bloodline Descent function is to bring forth facts that so far have been proven real and untouched photographs.  We face reality but we do not understand your outbursts  and negativity might it be you have accepted our information as true?.  RBD function is to present what is fact and not fiction but there are those who will deny anything that does not go by the way another may see a situation , we are open to other people views right or wrong  and as you can tell it is very hard for RBD to falsify photos found on various web sights including the well respected Alexander Palace.
We are not denying the facts of the photographs, but you are drawing the wrong conclusions from those facts. A mutation in a parent need NOT be handed down to all the children. There is a genetic reason for this which you seem to have misunderstood.

An example is the haemophilia that Alexei suffered from.  This disease is the result of a rare mutation which was carried in his mother, Alexandra.  But she DID NOT have the disease.  She had two copies of the gene, and only one had the mutation and could cause the disease. Each of her children had a 50 percent probability that they would inherit the mutation. That mutation is carried on the X chromosome. IF the child was a boy and IF he inherited the mutated gene, he would get the disease.  So Alexei did. IF the child was a girl and inherited the mutation she would NOT inherit the disease but she would be a carrier for it. Like her mother Alexandra who had one good copy and one mutated copy.

Analysis of the DNA from the skeletal remains showed that Alexandra did indeed have one good copy of the gene for haemophilia and one mutated copy. Alexei had the mutated copy only. He was a boy so he had only one X chromosome, the other was his Y chromosome which made him male. One of the daughters, either Maria or Anastasia, also had one good copy and one mutated copy of the haemophilia gene so she would have been a carrier like her mother. The other daughters did not carry the mutation - they just had two good copies so would not have been carriers and could not pass it on.

I have used this as an example of why a rare trait that is known to be inherited need not pass to all the descendants. Some of them might inherit the rare trait. It is unlikely that they all will, and as we go down the generations it becomes less and less likely.  It could apply just as well to the ear shape you keep going on about. There is NO SUCH THING as a permanent genetic marker in a rare trait that will mark out a family for ever.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #232 on: May 22, 2016, 07:23:00 PM »
Childish manners and crude remarks are are not expected from intelligent persons but you know the answer to that statement.  We are not sure what you mean by saying I know what side your theories are on?  We would be interested to know your meaning .

Royal Bloodline Descent function is to bring forth facts that so far have been proven real and untouched photographs.  We face reality but we do not understand your outbursts  and negativity might it be you have accepted our information as true?.  RBD function is to present what is fact and not fiction but there are those who will deny anything that does not go by the way another may see a situation , we are open to other people views right or wrong  and as you can tell it is very hard for RBD to falsify photos found on various web sights including the well respected Alexander Palace.

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I understand DNA far more than "rudiments".  I suggest you study English with more interest than DNA. Your claim that one daughter did not share some ludicrous "earlobe" marker as yet "UNKNOWN" and UNPROVEN is HOGWASH. There is no respect for utter speculation without scientific background. Take your spurious claims to the unintelligent. Learn to write proper English. Your grammar and vocabulary are out of Google Translate.

"Proper Grammar is the difference between "knowing your shit" and "knowing you're shit". 

I know which side you and your theories are on.

Except you do not bring "facts" you bring unsupported speculation.  The fact you don't understand what I wrote underscores my statement that you need to learn proper English.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #233 on: May 23, 2016, 01:53:17 PM »
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Royal Bloodline Descent function is to bring forth facts that so far have been proven real and untouched photographs.  We face reality but we do not understand your outbursts  and negativity might it be you have accepted our information as true?.  RBD function is to present what is fact and not fiction but there are those who will deny anything that does not go by the way another may see a situation , we are open to other people views right or wrong  and as you can tell it is very hard for RBD to falsify photos found on various web sights including the well respected Alexander Palace.
We are not denying the facts of the photographs, but you are drawing the wrong conclusions from those facts. A mutation in a parent need NOT be handed down to all the children. There is a genetic reason for this which you seem to have misunderstood.

An example is the hemophilia that Alexei suffered from.  This disease is the result of a rare mutation which was carried in his mother, Alexandra.  But she DID NOT have the disease.  She had two copies of the gene, and only one had the mutation and could cause the disease. Each of her children had a 50 percent probability that they would inherit the mutation. That mutation is carried on the X chromosome. IF the child was a boy and IF he inherited the mutated gene, he would get the disease.  So Alexei did. IF the child was a girl and inherited the mutation she would NOT inherit the disease but she would be a carrier for it. Like her mother Alexandra who had one good copy and one mutated copy.

Analysis of the DNA from the skeletal remains showed that Alexandra did indeed have one good copy of the gene for hemophilia and one mutated copy. Alexei had the mutated copy only. He was a boy so he had only one X chromosome, the other was his Y chromosome which made him male. One of the daughters, either Maria or Anastasia, also had one good copy and one mutated copy of the hemophilia gene so she would have been a carrier like her mother. The other daughters did not carry the mutation - they just had two good copies so would not have been carriers and could not pass it on.

I have used this as an example of why a rare trait that is known to be inherited need not pass to all the descendants. Some of them might inherit the rare trait. It is unlikely that they all will, and as we go down the generations it becomes less and less likely.  It could apply just as well to the ear shape you keep going on about. There is NO SUCH THING as a permanent genetic marker in a rare trait that will mark out a family for ever.



You mention We are not denying the facts of the photographs, that is a step in the right direction. Might (We) be a individual or a scientific qualified biologist, geneticists?.

In your  information you mentioned You have used an example of why a rare trait that is known to be inherited need not pass to all the descendants. Some might inherit the rare trait. It is unlikely that they will ,as we go down the generations it becomes less and less likely. Yo also mention There is NO Such THING as a permanent genetic marker in a rare trait that will mark out a family for ever.

You are correct on one matter,  Why a rare trait that is known to be inherited need not pass to all decedents, This writer on behalf of Royal Bloodline Descent  is an example of what you say, I inherited the identical visible marker from birth as did my child and grand child.  From my sister's side she did not inherit what we are speaking of.  I am aware my German Great Grandfather inherited the same visible trait a hundred and some years past, he as I understand was of German nobility  to where he or his family may have inherited this trait from the same ancestor who passed it on to some royals past and present.  Whatever the case may be that is the facts of what we are discussing.  Such inheritance of the same trait is clearly showing up on a few related royals today as the photographs posted show.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #234 on: June 06, 2016, 03:57:14 PM »
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The Russian Orthodox Church has still not recognized the remains interred in Peter and Paul Cathedral as those of Nicholas II and his family members and entourage

DNA confirmed the identities of the Imperial Family two decades ago.  There is no margin for error, regardless of what the ROC thinks.

A bit tardy again, but this is the film which I had meant to cite earlier, but I could not find it at the time. I just came across is again in my computer.

It’s from a television program broadcast in 2011. The dialogue is in Russian, but there is a lot of interesting footage.

Perhaps it can still be viewed on line somewhere:
Professija-reporter.(2011.02.12).Zhizn'.za.carja.avi


At 20:23 it shows the Vladimir Soloviev (the chief Russian investigator into the murder of the Imperial family) and the reporter at the gates of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Ganina Yama complex. Despite having received permission in advance, the reporter and camera crew were denied entrance.
What is more astonishing is that the guards also refused to let V. Soloviev himself enter the premises — even after he showed them his credentials from the federal government. They told him to take it up with Archbishop Vikenty of Ekaterinburg!

At that point the reporter comments that it seems that the Church is not separated from the State, but the State from the Church.

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A related item:

Paul Kulikovsky, in his "Romanov News" No. 98, May 2016, posted this:

The Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria burial-case continues
DNA test shows match between remains of Nicholas II and Alexander III, and Alexander II

29 May - According to Peter Saradinaki, the DNA studies recently made on Emperor Alexander II and Alexander III MATCHED those of Nicholas II, whose
remains were found on the Koptayakovsky Road and were buried in St. Peter and Paul Cathedral in 1998.
It is also said that all the relics of Emperor Nicholas II, his family and Faithful servants were removed from the Peter and Paul Fortress' St. Catherine Chapel for further "anthropological studies".
This means the Russian Orthodox Church is now in possession of all the Ekaterinburg relics and that in turn must mean they are soon ready to announce their acceptance of them as the Imperial Family.

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So, stay tuned...!


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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #235 on: June 06, 2016, 05:05:17 PM »
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The Russian Orthodox Church has still not recognized the remains interred in Peter and Paul Cathedral as those of Nicholas II and his family members and entourage

DNA confirmed the identities of the Imperial Family two decades ago.  There is no margin for error, regardless of what the ROC thinks.


How true look at the proof posted June 2016 proof is in the pictures posted on Royal Bloodline Decent on Facebook
Professija-reporter.(2011.02.12).Zhizn'.za.carja.avi


At 20:23 it shows the Vladimir Soloviev (the chief Russian investigator into the murder of the Imperial family) and the reporter at the gates of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Ganina Yama complex. Despite having received permission in advance, the reporter and camera crew were denied entrance.
What is more astonishing is that the guards also refused to let V. Soloviev himself enter the premises — even after he showed them his credentials from the federal government. They told him to take it up with Archbishop Vikenty of Ekaterinburg!

At that point the reporter comments that it seems that the Church is not separated from the State, but the State from the Church.

***************

A related item:

Paul Kulikovsky, in his "Romanov News" No. 98, May 2016, posted this:

The Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Maria burial-case continues
DNA test shows match between remains of Nicholas II and Alexander III, and Alexander II

29 May - According to Peter Saradinaki, the DNA studies recently made on Emperor Alexander II and Alexander III MATCHED those of Nicholas II, whose
remains were found on the Koptayakovsky Road and were buried in St. Peter and Paul Cathedral in 1998.
It is also said that all the relics of Emperor Nicholas II, his family and Faithful servants were removed from the Peter and Paul Fortress' St. Catherine Chapel for further "anthropological studies".
This means the Russian Orthodox Church is now in possession of all the Ekaterinburg relics and that in turn must mean they are soon ready to announce their acceptance of them as the Imperial Family.

*************

So, stay tuned...!




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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #236 on: June 07, 2016, 07:28:07 AM »
RBD, why did you quote the previous post without adding anything yourself?
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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #237 on: June 07, 2016, 08:49:35 AM »
RBD, why did you quote the previous post without adding anything yourself?

Well, he did add one line, sandwiched between two line of the original posting:

"How true look at the proof posted June 2016 proof is in the pictures posted on Royal Bloodline Decent on Facebook"

But what it refers to is not clear.


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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #238 on: June 08, 2016, 02:24:42 PM »
If you have questions on what Royal Bloodline Descent has posted and how the information provided puts Nicholas 11 and his inherited  DNA earlobe markers together with other royals who inherited the same, please ask.

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Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #239 on: August 13, 2016, 06:50:50 PM »
Forgive me for reviving this thread, and forgive me for asking such a morbid question, but have any photos of Maria and Aleksey's remains ever been released? It's almost been 10 years now, but I don't remember ever having seen any.