Author Topic: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.  (Read 148564 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Kalafrana

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 2912
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #195 on: September 10, 2012, 04:57:12 AM »
Not necessarily Alexandra. Nicholas was the shortish son of a very tall father, and had a very tall brother (Mikhail - I don't know about Georgy), as well as numerous other tall relations.

Height inheritance works in funny ways. My father is 5ft 6. My mother was 5ft 4 but came from a tall family on her mother's side. I am 5ft 6 and my brother just a whisker under 6ft. My cousins on my mother's side are all tall.

4ft 7 for a boy of almost 14 is distinctly on the short side, which Alexei clearly wasn't. The norm now is probably around 5ft (I am an Air Cadet instructor so deal with plenty of boys of that age!)

Ann

Offline Romafan96

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 98
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #196 on: February 18, 2013, 11:22:41 AM »
I think they should just get on with the burial now. I don't see why it has been delayed for seven years now. Given the fact that so few bones were found it wouldn't be economical to have a funeral on the same scale as the 1998 ones; however, even if they do it privately, the powers that be should just get on with it. At the end of the day not only is keeping someone's bones from being buried wrong, but in this case, keeping them locked away in a mortuary is serving no purpose.

Offline LisaDavidson

  • Moderator
  • Velikye Knyaz
  • *****
  • Posts: 2665
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #197 on: April 01, 2013, 12:03:07 AM »
The grave that was excavated in 1991 did not have its remains buried until 1998, a wait of 7 years. It remains to be seen how long feet will be dragged over the remains found in 2007. As in life, these bones are not mere bones, and the second burial will probably be subject to political squabbles, too.

Offline History Nut

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #198 on: July 17, 2013, 07:45:53 PM »
I hope that the Russian government and the Orthdox Church will see sense and allow Alexis and Maria to be reburied with their parents and siblings by July 17th, 2018. They have been separated for 95 years in death. It's time that the entire family be reunited and the last chapter closed on the events of that night.

Offline Ortipo

  • Boyar
  • **
  • Posts: 117
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #199 on: August 06, 2013, 05:48:29 PM »
I stumbled across a video of Anastasia/Maria's remains being exhumed more than a year ago and finally found it again just now.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prEqimcLZSU
тяв-тяв

Offline Rodney_G.

  • Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 840
  • an angel .....and the best of them
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #200 on: August 06, 2013, 06:02:43 PM »
This is notthe exhumation of Maria Nikolaievnas' remains , nor of any Romanov. Ignore it.
Rodney G.

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #201 on: April 25, 2014, 06:23:22 PM »
I have no idea what the video is saying. Can anyone give us a hint?

And, the reason we know it's not Maria/ Anastasia (I still think it's Anastasia not Maria), who was found in this video is because  is this video shows a  skull  and there was no skull  found with Maria / Anastasia.l

AGRBear
« Last Edit: April 25, 2014, 06:31:54 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

HeatherMcH

  • Guest
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #202 on: January 07, 2015, 01:45:19 PM »
Have the remains of Alexei and Maria/Anastasia been buried? 

Offline Rodney_G.

  • Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 840
  • an angel .....and the best of them
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #203 on: January 07, 2015, 02:44:44 PM »
No. We're into the eighth year of this charade about the identity of and/or the resultant proper burial of these remains, about which there is no credible scientific dispute. The handling of this issue by Russian authorities, both official and religious, makes the American bureaucracy, for example, seem positively efficient by comparison. And that takes some doing.
Rodney G.

Offline Ally Kumari

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 3095
    • View Profile
    • Imperial Russia
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #204 on: March 19, 2015, 03:55:33 AM »
Head of the Russian State Archive suggests to exhume remains of the tzar family to examine them again
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=dujour&div=144

Moscow, March 18, Interfax - All doubts about authenticity of Emperor Nicholas II's family relics should be eliminated, director of the Russian State Archive Sergey Mironenko believes.

"We have to listen to church officials and exhume the relics buried in Sts Peter and Paul Cathedral and to do it in presence of church representatives and then it should be sealed up by church seals, and the Church should say whom of experts it confides in," Mironenko said on air The Eternity and Time program at the Spas TV channel.

As to disclosed relics of Nicholas II's children Alexey and Maria, the archive director says he "is categorically against burying the relics without participation of the Russian Orthodox Church."

He also promised to publish in the Internet all the materials referring to the case on disclosure of tzar relics. "The Russian State Archive has its own website and there we will post all the documents discovered during the research," Mironenko said.

Head of the Synodal Department for Church and Society Relations Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin on air the program said that the relics of the tzar family in Sts Peter and Paul Cathedral are covered with plates, which can be easily removed, though "it is always bad to disturb the remains." According to him, their burial was forced.

"I remember rather tough pressure from Mr. Nemtsov and his office, but we won't say any bad things about recently killed person," the priest said.

The House of Romanov admits the possibility of exhuming tzar family remains in order to stop discussions about their authenticity.

"If the state considers it necessary, the Russian Imperial House won't stand against further research on the question," the House advocate German Lukianov told Interfax on Wednesday.

A grave with nine bodies was found on Staraya Koptyakovskaya Road near Yekaterinburg in July 1991. The remains were identified as those of Emperor Nicholas II, his 46-year-old wife Alexandra Fyodorovna, their daughters Olga, 22, Tatyana, 21, and Anastasia, 17, and their servants Yevgeny Botkin, 53, Anna Demidova, 40, Aloizy Trupp, 62, and Ivan Kharitonov, 48.

The remains of two more people were discovered during archaeological excavation works 70 kilometers south of the first grave on July 26, 2007. The remains have still not been buried, but numerous expert analyses indicate that the remains were most likely those of Crown Prince Alexey and his sister Maria.

The Investigative Committee said in January 2011 that it had completed an investigation into the death of Nicholas II, his family members and entourage and closed the criminal case.

The Russian Orthodox Church has still not recognized the remains interred in Peter and Paul Cathedral as those of Nicholas II and his family members and entourage, claiming that it was not convinced by the proof of their authenticity that was presented.

Offline Превед

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 1065
  • Мой Великий Север
    • View Profile
    • Type Russian Without a Keyboard
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #205 on: March 20, 2015, 03:07:11 PM »
"I remember rather tough pressure from Mr. Nemtsov and his office, but we won't say any bad things about recently killed person," the priest said.

God, what a low blow, to use an anti-establishment martyr's death to discredit the process he was supervising.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2015, 03:12:03 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

Offline TimM

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 1936
    • View Profile
    • Rex and Hannah Chronicles Wikia
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #206 on: March 20, 2015, 05:16:07 PM »
Quote
The Russian Orthodox Church has still not recognized the remains interred in Peter and Paul Cathedral as those of Nicholas II and his family members and entourage

DNA confirmed the identities of the Imperial Family two decades ago.  There is no margin for error, regardless of what the ROC thinks.
Cats: You just gotta love them!

Offline Inok Nikolai

  • Graf
  • ***
  • Posts: 478
  • Irkutsk, Russia 1977
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #207 on: April 17, 2015, 04:13:50 PM »
Whatever the reasons for the Russian Orthodox Church not wishing to recognize the Imperial remains, there is absolutely no need whatsoever to exhume the bodies buried in the SS. Peter and Paul Cathedral.

The official investigators and the forensic specialists have made it clear on several occasions that they were permitted to retain small portions of each persons remains in order to conduct further research as scientific advances occur.

They have already done this in 2007 when G. D. Maria and Tsarevich Alexis' remains were finally found. At that time they re-examined the DNA of the original remains... and came up with even more conclusive results.

The DNA of the non-royals in the pit have also been matched to their living relatives or descendants. What more is needed?!
инок Николай

Offline Sanochka

  • Graf
  • ***
  • Posts: 282
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #208 on: May 23, 2015, 11:07:21 PM »
Whatever the reasons for the Russian Orthodox Church not wishing to recognize the Imperial remains, there is absolutely no need whatsoever to exhume the bodies buried in the SS. Peter and Paul Cathedral.

The official investigators and the forensic specialists have made it clear on several occasions that they were permitted to retain small portions of each persons remains in order to conduct further research as scientific advances occur.

They have already done this in 2007 when G. D. Maria and Tsarevich Alexis' remains were finally found. At that time they re-examined the DNA of the original remains... and came up with even more conclusive results.

The DNA of the non-royals in the pit have also been matched to their living relatives or descendants. What more is needed?!

The answer's clear.  Load the doubters into a time machine and send them back to that awful night in Yekaterinburg and let them see for themselves what happened, and who was buried where.  Perhaps then they just might believe the scientific conclusions.

Offline Romafan96

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 98
    • View Profile
Re: The Remains Identified as Alexei and Maria. Story Closed.
« Reply #209 on: May 27, 2015, 04:43:30 PM »
The saddest thing about all this is that three of the girls may be buried under the wrong name. I know it doesn't seem like a big deal but I have two sisters myself and I would be mortified if I was buried under their names by accident. It also seemed like the process of  identifications descended into a battle of who was right as opposed to which girl it actually might be. I'm still convinced that Anastasia was missing from the 1991 grave since the Americans' methods of identifications seemed a lot more accurate.