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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2011, 01:21:08 AM »
Thanks for the calcification. Whlie the same Cossack gentlemen arranged very similarly in both sets of photos can confuse one...Alexis is older looking in the 1916 photos and we know for sure if the girls had been at the 1915 event, the  magazine would have printed their picture! lol!  Please excuse the book line in the phoro



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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2011, 12:35:17 PM »
Diary of Nicolas II for the 4th October 1915
In russian: "В 10 час. на площадке был отслужен молебен перед фронтом 1-й Кубанской и 3-й Терской сотен. Затем они прошли два раза церем. марш. До завтрака сидел за докладом в штабе. Завтракали все офицеры Конвоя. "
What means approximatively: "At 10 o'clock on the place was celebrated a Te Deum in front of the 1st century of Kuban and the 3rd century of Ter (?). Then they marched twice. (...) All officiers of the Escort had breakfast (with us)".
So that is this very Te Deum we see on the picture.

A bit of a correction/clarification on first line of Nicholas' statement:   I think a better translation would be : "in front of the First Kuban and Third Terek Squads (or sotni)." Sotni are military units , commonly called squads, and in this case are of prominent  Cossack formations from the Kuban and Terek Cossack lands.
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IF Crimea 1916 visit
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2011, 04:26:18 PM »
I have a picture of Nicholas II and Alexi visiting the Battleship "Imperatritsa Maria" in 1916 in "Warship International" magazine No4 1987. Does anyone know on what date this occured? I know NAOTMAA  visited the Crimea for the last time in the spring 0f 1916 does anyone know the dates. Also I believe I read somewhere that women were not allowed on the naval base which may be why there are no women present.

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Re: IF Crimea 1916 visit
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2011, 12:35:14 AM »
I think nena should know - he's wonderful with dates, expecially regarding Alexej.
But i think i've never seen the photo - can you post it or is it copyrighted or something?
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Re: IF Crimea 1916 visit
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2011, 03:51:53 AM »
See this link, there is full chronology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPXgxBALA78

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-How terribly sad it is to leave the Crimea, the sea, the sailors and the ships-
(Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholaievna, diary entry, on May 16th 1916.)

After short visiting Sebastopol, and attending the Black Sea Parade, IF, accompanied with servants and friends, moved to the city of Evpatoria, by the train. One of the main targets was the opening the Military Hospital of Empress Alexandra Feodorvna. Anna Vyrubova remembers that meeting in the city was the most beautiful, and all bathed in the southern Sun.

Imperial Train arrived at 10 o clock in the morning. After being wholeheartedly welcomed, the IF listened to the speech of the Governor, and then went to the Orthodox Church, where Church Service/Liturgy was served. Directly from Orthodox Temple, the IF proceeded to the Juma mosque, to be welcomed by Muslim community. Next to come, was arrival of IF to Karaite Kenasa and main Jewish synagogue in Evpatoria.

After paying tribute to three main Faiths, Empress Alexandra opened new Hospital named after her. Nicholas, Alexandra and daughters greeted soldiers and wounded people.

After official part of visit, Nicholas went with the Heir at the beach. Alexei played in warm sand, collected shells, built a tower, while Tsar kept neglecting people who followed them. Anna Vyrubova and Rita Khitrovo were presented too. Later, Tsar awarded some soldiers with medals, and Tsarina did some photos. At 6 oclock, with anthem God save the Tsar sung, Imperial Train left the Railroad Station.

Chronologically along with the Russian captions, translated :

0:05 to 0:21 It is 10 o clock. Alexei is seeking out of window, and IF is prepared to go out from the train.
0:22 to 0:42 IH leave Railroad Station
0:43 to 2:32 IH visit Orthodox Church
2:33 to 3:16 - IH visit Mosque
3:17 to 4:20 - IH visit Karaimska Kenassa
4:21 to 4:54 -Visiting Lazaret/Hospital of Empress Alexandra.
+ Nicholas reviewing army on horseback.

On May 16th 1916, IF visited Evpatoria, small town in western Crimea. The whole trip to the South occurred in May of 1916.

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But i think i've never seen the photo - can you post it or is it copyrighted or something?
http://www.pushkin-history.ru/jpg/Imperat/Nikol_II/015/51815.jpg Full credit goes to Pushkin-history's site, and to Geglov.


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Re: IF Crimea 1916 visit
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2011, 04:51:39 AM »
Also I believe I read somewhere that women were not allowed on the naval base which may be why there are no women present.
Perhaps, but the whole family was present on the Battleship, according to the photos. There are two photos of IF among sailors on those ships taken in Crimea/Sevastopol in 1916.
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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2011, 07:29:50 AM »
nena, i really didn't have the pic, so thank you so much ^^
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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2011, 01:45:44 PM »
I am trying to date a photo I have in Warship International magazine No4 1987. It is of Nicholas II and Alexi inspecting the crew of the battlaship Imperatitsa Maria. Does anyone know what dates the IF was in Sevastopol and the date of this inspection. I know it was sometime in the spring of 1916. The whole family was there but it I have read that women were not allowed on the naval base so AOTMA were not on the ship. Can anyone help me?

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2011, 08:01:29 PM »
Thank you nena! It's amazing to me how much younger Alexis looked  in his navy uniform at this time than his army uniform.  Perhaps because we have  photos where he is wearing his sailor uniform as a really young child.

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Re: IF 1916 Sevastopol Visit
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2011, 03:37:05 AM »
I am trying to date a photo I have in Warship International magazine No4 1987. It is of Nicholas II and Alexi inspecting the crew of the battlaship Imperatitsa Maria. Does anyone know what dates the IF was in Sevastopol and the date of this inspection. I know it was sometime in the spring of 1916. The whole family was there but it I have read that women were not allowed on the naval base so AOTMA were not on the ship. Can anyone help me?

IF/Nicholas visited Sevastopol on May 12th 1916, at 10 o' clock, according to Nicholas' diary, and he then visited ships 'Empress Catherine' and 'Empress Maria', and many others. There is photo of AOTMA on one of the battleships from Vyrubova's albums and several more of the whole family together among sailors on one of the battleships.

Perhaps I'll do a series of "Fashionable OTMA hats" posts on the blog! Along with those and the strange close-fitting white ones that have the feathers sticking straight up at front, I can already think of several more; this one for example: http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashka1915_4.jpg Do you know of any more? Ah! These:
 
Where are they at, anyways? That big metal thing...very odd. Looks like an oil drill place!  ??? Year, anyone? I have it labeled as 1913, but I know that must be wrong. I'm thinking more 1915...
Anyways, we'd better stay on topic! Post anoter Maria photo!  :D
P.S. great clear hospital photo, blessOTMA!

It was taken on one of their trips to the South Crimea/Sevastopol, in 1915 or 1916, I am nit certain, Nicholas visited in in both 1915 and 1916. I assume it is cruiser 'Empress Marie', which Alexei once hit. But certainly it was taken on the ship, during one of the war-visits to the Crimea.
However, is is possible that women were not indeed permitted, but except only the members of the IF, since photos of AOTMA on the ships exist.

Family visit Sevastopol, 12th May 1916:

I believe that this was taken the following day, only of Nicholas, when he visited other battleships:

Thanks to Geglov's site!

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #55 on: October 13, 2011, 07:02:53 AM »
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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2011, 07:07:34 AM »
you know the date and the place of the ceremony? thanks



BTW: digging, we found out it was not Olga's first communion. Today i qas reading Miss Eagar's book and she wrote:

The rite of Confirmation is administered immediately after baptism, and children up to the age of seven years can receive the Communion as often as every month. After that age confession and church-going are essential, before receiving the Communion.The little Grand Duchess Olga made her first confession in Moscow, during Lent, I903, and she received a gift from the children of Moscow, of an icon of the Virgin Mary. Face and hands are painted, all draperies, etc., are executed in pearls.

Taken from the AP site version of the book, chap. 5
Maybe this could be the answer? (i didn't see this quoted before).

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2011, 10:27:06 AM »
you know the date and the place of the ceremony? thanks



BTW: digging, we found out it was not Olga's first communion. Today i qas reading Miss Eagar's book and she wrote:

The rite of Confirmation is administered immediately after baptism, and children up to the age of seven years can receive the Communion as often as every month. After that age confession and church-going are essential, before receiving the Communion.The little Grand Duchess Olga made her first confession in Moscow, during Lent, I903, and she received a gift from the children of Moscow, of an icon of the Virgin Mary. Face and hands are painted, all draperies, etc., are executed in pearls.

Taken from the AP site version of the book, chap. 5
Maybe this could be the answer? (i didn't see this quoted before).

Mods, sorry for having quoted a pic, but otherwise my post wouldn't have had sense.

Here is the description that I have for that photo (below), but I don't remember who wrote it [description]. I probably should keep track of description/caption writers, but have just never gotten around to it.

"Emperor Nicholas II, Empress Alexandra & Grand Duchess Olga, with Serge and Ella behind them, in the official procession of the family from the Kremlin to the cathedral of the Dormition of the Virgin, Moscow, Easter Sunday, March 30, 1903."
 
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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2011, 08:10:22 AM »
Aleksei's video footage smiling in car was taken in Odessa, November of 1915, when Tsar visited the whole Eastern front, here is the photo:

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2011, 10:56:01 AM »
Aleksei's video footage smiling in car was taken in Odessa, November of 1915, when Tsar visited the whole Eastern front, here is the photo:

I thought it was taken and HQ in Mogilev| Wow, thanks for correction!
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