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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2011, 11:28:08 AM »
Well, I thought the same. But I had the doubts, given the fact that I had knew that Alexei went with father on October 2nd 1915 to the Stavka, and went back there in May in 1916, and he was in winter suit, so it should have been taken in late 1915 rather to late 1916, and many other  photos of him were actually taken in 1915 rather in 1916.

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Also, I'd love you to add some photos with dates.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2011, 10:51:10 AM »
In the photo below the caption "Family visit Sevastopol 12 may 1916" the ships in the foreground look like Derzky class destroyers. Behind them is what looks like either the seaplane carrier Imperator Nikolai I or Imperator Alexander I. They were both ex-passanger/cargo ships converted to this role and were quite active in the Black sea during WW I.
In the photo below this one where Nichols II alone is inspecting a Battleship or Crusier. I can't identify the ship but it looks like it was taken at another time. In the previous photo them men are in summer uniforms in this photo all them men are wearing overcoats. I will try and identify the ship but it may take awhile.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2011, 06:14:26 PM »
I have some comments on the Evpatoria film clip: AOTMA are visiting a mosque and they are not forced to put on headscarves! and Anastasia hair is hanging out down her back! any European royal family that did something like this today would cause rioting to break out all over the Moslem world for insuling Islam ect. The IF is also visiting a Synagogue so we can say they are no longer anti-semities. Finally, if you have any pictures of Russian Warships of this period and want to identify them post the pictures on this site and I will try and identify them. This also applys to aircraft and armored vehicals.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2011, 10:14:43 AM »
The IF is also visiting a Synagogue so we can say they are no longer anti-semities.

I disagree. While it certainly suggests that the imperial family did not want to be viewed as anti-semites, visiting a synagogue does not constitute proof of anti-semitism any more than a trip to Africa proves that a person believes blacks are equal to whites. What they believed privately and how this affected the tsar's policies with regard to his jewish subjects is another matter entirely.
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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2011, 11:12:33 AM »
The IF is also visiting a Synagogue so we can say they are no longer anti-semities.

I disagree. While it certainly suggests that the imperial family did not want to be viewed as anti-semites, visiting a synagogue does not constitute proof of anti-semitism any more than a trip to Africa proves that a person believes blacks are equal to whites. What they believed privately and how this affected the tsar's policies with regard to his jewish subjects is another matter entirely.

A word like "anti - seminitism" is something we use nowadays. In Nicholas's Russia it was considered quite normal for upper class people being anti - semities. To my knowledge, it has been normal not only in Russia, but all around Europe for a very long time - i'd dare say, till WWII. Hitler was not the "only stupid evil man in the world" who hates Jews - it was, as far as I know, a very common way of thinking, even if it sounds horrible to us.
We should remember that people of other cultures usually have a different way to view the world. Nicholas was not "evil" because was antisemite. Most of russian - and not only russian! - were.
Of course, i'm not saying being anti - semite is right, on the contrary. Just pointing out that people in different periods think differrent ways.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2011, 03:40:37 PM »
I think I have identified the Ship Nicholas is inspecting alone wearing an overcoat in the lower photogragh just above the caption "thanks to Geglovs site". It is one of the following 3 Battleships: the Ievstafi, Ioann Zlatovst or Pantelimon (ex-Potemkin yes that "Battleship Potemkin" of the mutiny and movie fame). This is comparing the photo with a drawing in "Janes Fighting Ships 1914". All three ships look similiar and if someone has some more information feel free to correct me.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2011, 11:49:05 AM »
I think I have identified the Ship Nicholas is inspecting alone wearing an overcoat in the lower photogragh just above the caption "thanks to Geglovs site". It is one of the following 3 Battleships: the Ievstafi, Ioann Zlatovst or Pantelimon (ex-Potemkin yes that "Battleship Potemkin" of the mutiny and movie fame). This is comparing the photo with a drawing in "Janes Fighting Ships 1914". All three ships look similiar and if someone has some more information feel free to correct me.
Most likely correct -- I remember seeing that Russian Archives labeled the one as 'Nicholas visiting a battleship, May 1914'. I can't find further information right now, but you are correct. However, one site still labels it as 'Sevastopol, 1916'.
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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2012, 05:47:02 PM »
In the great war forum Eastern front section they have a link to the Russian wartime magazine War Notes the photo captions are translated roughly into English. There are quite a few photos of the IF. Posting  #54 the picture of AOTMA looks like it was taken on a battleship most likely the Imperial Catherine on 12 May 1916. post #45 Sotni is Russian for Squadron/company of cavalry. Posting #26 this photo could have been taken in 1916 it looks like OTMA are wearing the same or simliar hats that they are wearing in post #54. i hope this is of help.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2012, 04:14:20 PM »
Oops! Sotnia is for Cossak units only it is the equvilent of squadron or company. i think it is based on the word hundred or hundreds.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2012, 06:20:17 AM »
What is the Russian for squadron, company or battery in line regiments?

Might be useful one day!

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2012, 05:24:43 PM »
In reading Nicholas II letters to his his on this site ha mentions in his 29 Jan 1915 letter going on board the Eustaphia and Kagoula. On reply 54 the bottom photo there is a picture of him and the crew of a ship which mostly likely the Eustaphia or Ievsafi. There are about 3 or 4 ways to spell the names of WW I era Russian ships. It looks like this photo was taken at this tim3 29 january 1915 hence the overcoats rather than during the IFs may 1916 visit. Note the Kagoula is often spelled Kagol.
Company/Squadron/Battery were Company/Squadron/Battery in Russian Army.

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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2012, 02:00:24 AM »
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Re: Exact dates of the photos of the Imperial Family
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2013, 12:05:57 AM »


Friday, June 22 1917 - "As the Grand-Duchesses were losing all their hair as the result of their illness, their heads have been shaved. When they go out in the park they wear scarves arranged so as to conceal the fact. just as I was going to take their photographs, at a sign from Olga Nicolaievna they all suddenly removed their headdress. I protested, but they insisted, much amused at the idea of seeing themselves photographed like this, and looking forward to seeing the indignant surprise of their parents. Their good spirits reappear from time to time in spite of everything. It is their exuberant youth." Gilliard

This doesn't necessarily prove that it was this day, but it's possible that it was the same day as the entry.
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