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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #420 on: May 07, 2009, 08:39:58 AM »

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #421 on: May 07, 2009, 08:42:43 AM »
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #422 on: May 07, 2009, 08:55:49 AM »
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #423 on: May 07, 2009, 03:30:28 PM »


I always enjoy German royal photos because of their, often, more casual nature wherein the subjects can be seen to be smiling (almost not done amongst other royal families during the late 19th and early 20th centuries), and their position in the photos. One would never see the monarch in the background as shown here with Willie and Dona.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #425 on: August 23, 2009, 11:46:13 AM »

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #426 on: December 27, 2009, 06:48:43 AM »
I am searching for information related to the connections established between the german authorities and Lenin. Especially what has been the attitude of the Emperor (Kaiser) Wilhelm II in these delicate matters. I found hints to the relations between Bolshevik and Imperial Power in quite easy available books. I mean book written by eye wittnesses and members of the Emperors Staff. I was surprised to discover that quite obviously according to the printed text in such books Wilhelm II was favoring deals with the Bolshevik governement of Russia even after it was officialy announced by the Bolchevik Governement that Nicholas II has been shot. (The official anouncement was already done in July 1918.Only the fate of the remaining family members was not yet clear as they were not declared dead by the Bolshevik Authorities.) To contribute to this forum I will write down the text I found in the books here and hope to get feedback about these connections.
Book: Title:  "Niemann / Wanderungen mit Kaiser Wilhelm II". Author: Alfred Niemann. Editor: Verlag von K.F. Koehler, Leipzig 1924. Extract: Page 90-line 14: "War es nicht ungeheurer gewagt, die Entlastung im Osten schliesslich dadurch herbeizufuehren, dass wir die revelutionaere Zerstezung des russischen Heeres foerderten? Haben Euer Majestaet diese Gefahr nicht erkannt?"--- "Die Bolschewisierung des russischen Heeres, die uns schliesslich freie Hand im Osten schuf, ist auf Wunsch der Obersten Heeresleitung von uns gefoerdert worden. Dabei wurde die politische Gefahr einer tangioesen Infektion erheblich unterschaetzt, einer Infektion, die allmaehlich in die Blutbahnen des deutschen Volkes drang und infolge wachsenden physischen und seelischen Drucks mehr und mehr eine Dekomposition erzeugte. "Die militaerische Fuehrung sah mit wachsender Sorge die Symptome einer Infektion und machte die zivilen Gewalten dafuer verantwortlich. Letztere empfanden die Vorwuerfe als ungerechtfertigt und verloren die Freude an der Mitarbeit. In der Volksseele wucherte die Giftpflanze enttaeuschter Hoffnungen empor, frass die gesunden Triebe voelkischen Gemeinsinns. Wer in die Heimat blickte, sah neben erschuetterndem passiven Dulden Hader und Streit der partikularistischen Elemente in allen Auspraegungen".  End of quotation here. (Little explanation: The first part is a question of one of the military staff members who asks the Emperor if it was such a good idea to use bolshevism as a weapon against the russian army. The Kaiser is here quoted as saying very clearly that "On the request of the Military Command Bolshevism was sponsored by "us". It is interesting to notice that "us" could mean the Emperor with advisers, other than the military Command, and also it could mean "us germans" in general. It cannot mean just himself allone because than the word "Uns/Us would be written with a capital letter if used for a monarch using plurial. Anyway this interview of the Emperor was published as part of this book written by a supporter of Wilhelm who had direct access to him.)
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #427 on: December 27, 2009, 07:08:29 AM »
More information about Wilhlem II and relations with the Bolshevik Government:
Quoted out of the book: Title: "Kaiser un Revolution", Author: "Alfred Niemann", Oberstleutnant a.D. Editor: "August Scherl G.m.b.h., Berlin SW68" Printed in 1922. Extract: Page 60 Line : "Eine Zuspitzung hatte unser Verhaeltnis zu den Bundesgenossen noch dadurch erfahren, dass entgegen den Warnungen des Staatssekretaers Helfferich, der auf Grund seiner persoenlichen Eindruecke in Moskau dringend von einem weiteren Paktieren mit der Sowjemacht abriet, die Zusatzvertraege zum Brester Friedensvertrag am 10.August paraphiert worden waren."  (short Explanation: The staff officer explains that despite the warnings of the german Minister of Foreign Affairs Helfferich who was in Moskau, the german government continued to deal with the Bolcheviks as partners and especialy signed futher chapters of the Brest Litovsk Peace treaty on 10 August 1918. I think this is very interesting to see that the execution wave against the Romanov family took place just a few weeks before and still the "un-informed" highest decision taker in Germany make concessions to the Bolcheviks. And this despite the "alarm" made by their own Minister of Foreign Affairs "Helfferich" who was supposed to remain full time in Moskow. (Read my next comment about the Kaiser reaction towards his Minister when this one "fled" back to Germany..) Wilhelm II appears much more involved in the deals with Lenin as it may seem when we only look superficially at the events. Myself I never knew yet about this additional treaty signature on the 10th of August 1918.. which adds to the shame loaded on the German Imperial Government, since it looks like the signaturewith Bolchevik Parteners further guaranteed more influence to Bolcheviks in border areas and upset the Austrians and Turks??. I will have to find out more about this matter.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #428 on: December 27, 2009, 07:31:41 AM »
More information about Wilhelm II and his relations with the Russian Bolshevik Government:
Quoted out of the book: Title: "Kaiser un Revolution", Author: "Alfred Niemann", Oberstleutnant a.D. Editor: "August Scherl G.m.b.h., Berlin SW68" Printed in 1922. Extract: Page 62 Line 2: "Um so wichtiger waere es gewesen, den Bundesgenossen politisch bei guter Laune zu halten. Aber auch hier drohten durch die Brester Zusatzvertraege, die den Tuerken Beschraenkungen im Kaukasusgebiet auferlegten, arge MissStimmung".  (Little explanation: The author (a Colonel attached to Wilhelm II) is explaining that the Allied of Germany should have been better treated in 1918 to keep them in good mood, Turkey in particular had reasons to be very upset because of the "Additional Treaties " to the Brest Litovsk Peace Treaty signed (10 August 1918). These additional Treaties signed with the Bolcheviks also included limitations to the Turkish Power in the Caucasus Region. I think this is very interesting to discover that the German Imperial Goverment agrees on the 10th of August to sign documents with Lenin's Representatives which are limiting the power of the Germay Allied Nation Turkey in the Caucasus Region! The germans must have been extremely keen to please Lenin and keep him happy by even upsetting the Turks??!! This adds light on the situation with the Romanov Hostages. Lenin must have been feeling extremely powerfull and when the german representatives signed that addtional treaty, the news of the shooting of Nicholas II (as an execution measure) was already public and known worldwide.  This did not matter as it seems, too much. Of cause the full execution of the entire familly was still a secret, but isnt all this getting "ridiculous" when we read all the extracts I copied here to this forum? " The germans admit having used Bolchevism as a kind of "biological weapon and "it just got out of control"....  To me this is not an excuse. Please read my next comment based on another extract of the same book.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #429 on: December 27, 2009, 07:53:25 AM »
More information about Wilhelm II and his thoughts and relations concerning the russian Bolshevik Government:
Quoted out of the book: Title: "Kaiser und Revolution", Author: "Alfred Niemann", Oberstleutnant a.D. Editor: "August Scherl G.m.b.h., Berlin SW68" Printed in 1922. Extract: Page 123 Line 22: "Am 1.November (1918) in den fruehen Nachmittagsstunden findet in der Villa Fraineuse die Aussprache statt. Ich habe die Zeit zu einem Spaziergang benutzt. Ploetzlich hoere ich die Hupe des kaiserlichen Autos. Der Kaiser laesst halten, winkt mich zu sich in den Wagen. Mit leuchttenden Augen erzaehlt er mir von dem was vorgefallen. "Sie haetten sehen sollen, wie der Feldmarschall sich vor seinen Kaiser stellte!-- Dass der ruhige Groener so in Harnisch geraten kann! Der hat Drews gehoerig klargemacht, wo die Hauptgefahr fuer das Vaterland liegt, nicht in der Uebermacht unserer Feinde, sondern in der Zersetzung und Auflehnung der Heimat. Dass es gerade ein sueddeutscher General war, der so fuer den Deutschen Kaiser und Koenig von Preussen eintrat, wie hat mir das wohlgetan".--- Der Monarch hat klar erkannt, dass hinter der ihm gestellten Zumutung mehr steckt als der toerrichte Glaube, durch Beseitigung desjenigen, der die Kriegserklaerung unterschrieb, eine groessere Einigkeit des verhetzten  und gequaelten deutschen Volkes zu erreichen und die Alliierten einem Verstaendigungsfrieden geneigt zu machen. Nein, wie wir einst den Bolschewismus benutzt hatten, um Russlands Widerstandskraft zu laehmen, so benutzen jetzt unsere Feinde den Geist der Auflehnung innerhalb des deutschen Volkes dazu, um die Moeglichkeit einer nationalen Erhebung gegen ein furchtbares Diktat, dass sie uns zudenken, im Keime zu ersticken." (End of quote and Little explanation: The Staff Colonel Niemann writes about a conversation he had with Wilhelm II right after a german politician "Drews" send from Berlin to the Spa Headquarters, suggested officialy to the Emperor that he may better abdicate to please the allies and make peace terms negotiations more easy. The main interesting part of this conversation is that the argument "The allied want to trick us germans with the same method we used in Russia by paralyzing the nations defenses through use of Bolchevism" but that will not work with us... is quite relevant about the attitude towards Bolchevism as a treacherous way to fight but which they  (The Kaiser, too) openly admit as having used to start with!. I hope the quote isn't too long here.. but it had to remain in the context of the entire event, Nov 1st 1918. Itmust be known that Niemann was writing and publishing hs books with consent of the Abdicated Emperor Wilhelm. Niemann somehow tried to serve his former Master by quoting the words of the Kaiser very frequently and trying to write a justification for the fomer Leader who was not well understood in his time when he was still in charge of Germany's Governement and Armed Forces.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #430 on: December 27, 2009, 11:56:12 AM »
More information about Wilhelm II and his relations with the Russian Bolshevik Government:
Quoted out of the book: Title: "Kaiser und Revolution", Author: "Alfred Niemann", Oberstleutnant a.D. Editor: "August Scherl G.m.b.h., Berlin SW68" Printed in 1922. Extract: Page 62 Line 6:  “Der Kaiser brachte seinem neuen Staatssekretaer des Auswertigen gerade im Hinblick auf dessen Vertrautheit mit den Zustaenden des zaristischen Russlands ein unbedingtes Vertrauen entgegen und hatte sich davon ueberzeugen lassen, dass man die Sowjetregierung als tatsaechliche Staatliche Macht bewerten muesse und es darauf ankomme, auf dem Verhandlungswege fuer Deutschland herauszuholen, was sich eben nur herausholen lies. Die ploetzliche Rueckkehr des Staatssekretaers Helfferich aus Moskau verstimmte den Monarchen. Mann stellte ihm diesen wohlueberlegten Schritt als seine Art von Fahnenflucht dar. Ich hatte um die Mitte des Monats eine laengere Aussprache mit Major Schubert, der Mitglied der Moskauer Mission gewesen war und zur Berichterstattung in das Grosse Hauptquartier kam. Schubert gab ein eingehendes Bild von dem falschen Spiel der Bolschewiken und legte dar, dass schon ein entschlossenes Loesen aller Beziehungen seitens Deutschlands den Zusammenbruch der ganzen Sowjetherrlichkeit bedeuten wuerde. Seine Darlegungen erschienen mir so ueberzeugend und so ungemein bedeutungsvoll, dass ich General von Winterfeld bat, einen Vortrag Schuberts entgegenzunehmen. Das ist geschehen. Dagegen lehnte es der Reichskanzler ab, Schubert zu empfangen. Mit dem Kaiser, den die Entwicklung der Dinge in Russland besonders interessierte und der sich taeglich ueber die dortigen Begebenheiten von mir eingehenden Vortrag halten liess, habe ich wiederholt ueber die Moeglichkeiten eines Sturzes der Sowjetregierung gesprochen, fand aber immer die festgegruendete Ueberzeugung, dass die Richtigkeit der von seinem berufenen politischen Ratgeber befolgten Politik ueber allen Zweifeln erhaben sei. Erst spaeter, als die Ergebnisse der Maulwurfsarbeit des Herrn Joffe bedrohend in Erscheinung traten, wurde der Kaiser stutzig. Seinem persoenlichen Eingreifen ist es zu verdanken, dass man dem russischen Kuriergepaeck eingehende Aufmerksamkeit widmete, eine verdaechtige Kiste auf dem Bahnhof Friedrichstrasse den Aufzug hinunterfallen liess und entdeckte, dass diese Kiste mit revolutionaeren Flugschriften angefuellt war. Herr Joffe war damit entlarvt, die Giftsaat seiner Propaganda konnte aber nicht mehr ertoetet werden, sie ging auf und trug reiche Fruechte.”  (End of quote. Little explanation: The Colonel Niemann writes that he made himself a daily briefing to the Emperor Wilhelm II about the events in Russia. Wilhelm was particulary interested by events from Russia. Wilhelm II was very disappointed by the behavior of his Minister of Foreign Affairs “Helfferich” who by August 1918 considered that Bolcheviks are dishonest and relations must be cut and departed back to Germany earlier than planned. Especially after the same Minister Helfferich had been considered by the Emperor as the ideal representative in Moskau to deal with the Soviet Governement  which has been described to the Emperor as a  "the veritable state power" which through negotiations should be offering to germany as much as possible. Wilhelm II apparently refused to listen to those who returned from Moskow with alarming news about the Bolcheviks (including his Minister of Foreign Affairs??!!). He remained convinced that his “usual political advisors” were right to keep relations with Soviet Russia. Niemann than credits the Emperor with having “only later” got suspicions about the activities of “"Joffe”" (Representative of SovietRussia having his Embassy in the Center of Berlin and benefiting from diplomatic imunity!). Wilhelm is credited further by Niemann with having had the idea to break open a wooden crate on delivery to the Soviet Embassy. Result: Filled with illegal Bolchevik Propaganda leaflets! Joffe was “unmasked”. But unfortunately the destruction work Joffe had started “could not be stopped any more”..  So this is the “official” version how Wilhlem II finally understood who were Lenin and his men??? I point out here that this is all written in a book printed by a supporter of Wilhelm II trying to defend him. He could not avoid to mention that despite the most  bad news from most qualified german witnesses in  Moskow the German Emperor preferred to believe that deals with Soviet Russia will be fine. A kind of prostitution of “aristocratic ideals” I suppose which may be the result of “modern warfare” ?)
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #431 on: December 28, 2009, 05:16:09 AM »
Thanks, that's interesting. One gets the impression that the Germans would have been willing to support anyone in Russia at that time who would have withdrawn the country from the war on suitable terms; but they had little appreciation of the power of ideology.

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #432 on: December 28, 2009, 11:19:42 AM »
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #433 on: December 28, 2009, 02:18:28 PM »
I think so, too. I had no time to translate the german original text into english.. yet.. but the german text of these memories says so..  they were satisfied to weaken the russian army with bolchevik agitation.. than dealed with them in Brest Litovsk, and underestimated the effect a soviet State (recoginized by Imperial Germany!!) will do on their home grown revolutionaries..  Those soon agreed.. that.. "we'll do the same back home, too..". The short story could be: Wilhelm (his own top advisers) light a fire in Russia and get their own house burnt soon after. Than they cry "Fire, Fire!!" and flee the scene.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« Reply #434 on: December 29, 2009, 12:29:35 PM »
Possibly not exactly what you want, but you might try "Der Teufelspakt" Die deutsch-russischen Beziehungen vom Ersten zum Zweiten Weltkrieg. Written by Sebastian Haffner. isbn 3-7175-4028-9.
I received a copy unexpectedly through the post this morning, so I haven't read it. It does deal in the beginning with your subject, though.

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