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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #195 on: June 03, 2010, 12:40:41 AM »
As I know, this icon absolutely isn't canonical. Maybe it is related with the  heresy of "tsarebozhie" (tsar-God), which attribute to Nicolas a feat like Christ's. (commentary on russian: http://www.raskol.net/node/1441 ).
It has got a lot of adherents, but is officially condemned by Russian Ortodox Church. Images of Rasputin who isn't canonized are not exactly Ortodox icons, too. So icons like this could be considered just as self-will and incident.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #196 on: June 03, 2010, 01:00:18 AM »
I am agreed with anyone. Rasputin has not been canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church, and mos likely some of the icons are NOT canonical. They remind me more on the 'drawings', artists want to show them as the Saints, but they are shown in wrong way. I don't know the location or anything about the icon.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #197 on: June 24, 2010, 03:41:09 AM »
Here are some, forgive the photography, I am not the best xP

These two are in Cathedral of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God in St. Petersburg.

Whole Family:
http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/IMG01600-20091024-1636.jpg

Nicholas (Dark, I know, sorry!):
http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/Misc/IMG01601-20091024-16451.jpg


This one is massive, and on display with some of their gowns in Alexander Palace:
http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/IMG01587-20091024-1339.jpg

And finally, this one I ran into in the capital city of Estonia. There were many icons of the family in churches there, but this is the only one I snappeda photo of (and really you aren't supposed to photograph in the cathedrals there, they have signs):
http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/IMG_3603.jpg


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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #198 on: June 24, 2010, 04:58:13 AM »
Here are some, forgive the photography, I am not the best xP

Don't worry! :- ), taking pictures inside Cathedrals and Churches it's not always easy, due to the lack of enough light.
The first photo it's very suggestive.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #199 on: June 24, 2010, 10:05:38 AM »
RomanovMartyrs , thank you for these photos! I wanted to ask you , is there some significance
to whether an icon  image looks at the viewer or to the side?  Some look at us and some look away. Thank you!
 

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« Reply #200 on: June 24, 2010, 03:50:27 PM »
There is, but it's been at least two years since I took any sunday school so I can't rightly remember the official answer.

To the best of my ability, I can say, looking around at my own icons, that most often a saint depicted alone in an icon will either be looking directly, as if to see you, or skyward, as if to God. If there are many depicted in one icon, most often the 'leader' so to speak will be looking at you, while the rest look to the leader, or also skyward to God. (This is how I see most Romanov icons, with Nicholas looking at you, sometimes also Alexei as Tsarevich, and the rest looking toward one of them. Occasionally though, everyone is looking directly.)

Icons were originally created for illiterate people, to share the word of God to those who couldn't read the Bible. So many icons tell stories. For instance, Andrei Rublev's "Trinity" icon depicts the three angels are looking at one another, in a balance. Every little detail in an icon means something, so it's hard to remember everything. For instance, again, in Rublev's "Trinity" the feet of the two foremost angels create a chalice shape, in obvious representation. The colours everyone wears each have meanings too. You can see how I could go on and on.

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #201 on: June 24, 2010, 09:58:50 PM »
There is, but it's been at least two years since I took any sunday school so I can't rightly remember the official answer.

To the best of my ability, I can say, looking around at my own icons, that most often a saint depicted alone in an icon will either be looking directly, as if to see you, or skyward, as if to God. If there are many depicted in one icon, most often the 'leader' so to speak will be looking at you, while the rest look to the leader, or also skyward to God. (This is how I see most Romanov icons, with Nicholas looking at you, sometimes also Alexei as Tsarevich, and the rest looking toward one of them. Occasionally though, everyone is looking directly.)

Icons were originally created for illiterate people, to share the word of God to those who couldn't read the Bible. So many icons tell stories. For instance, Andrei Rublev's "Trinity" icon depicts the three angels are looking at one another, in a balance. Every little detail in an icon means something, so it's hard to remember everything. For instance, again, in Rublev's "Trinity" the feet of the two foremost angels create a chalice shape, in obvious representation. The colours everyone wears each have meanings too. You can see how I could go on and on.

I hope I helped?

Enormously.  You imparted the infomation so I understand...Thank you!!!!!

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #202 on: June 25, 2010, 10:03:29 AM »
Very interesting!!! Thanks, RomanovMartyrs!

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #203 on: June 26, 2010, 01:00:54 AM »
Even ion our little Russian Orthodox Church of Buenos Aires, there's an icon of the family and another of Nicholas alone. Nicholas II pul a lot of money to help to build this church here in Argentina's capital, and he made all that it was on his own hand for the Church would send a good Priest here. The "Trinity Church" was founded in 1901, and his first priest was Alexander Izsrazzof, who came here with his wife. His family is still here and they have a Real State office, just like my own family. The Izsrassof and my mathernal family are good friends.

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #204 on: June 26, 2010, 03:34:01 AM »
It's so interesting, RealAnastasia! Thank you for this story!
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #205 on: June 26, 2010, 08:14:28 AM »
Oh, interesting!
I don't know if here in Brazil we have Orthodox churches. I think that we may have in big cities!

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« Reply #206 on: June 26, 2010, 08:20:21 AM »
fascinating...I had no idea N II was so proactive in creating  a Russian Orthodox Church in  Argentina!  Was there a Russian Orthodox community there already?

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #207 on: July 17, 2010, 10:34:03 AM »
Have these been posted already?

Olga


Tatiana


Marie


Anastasia


I found them here.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #208 on: July 17, 2010, 07:15:29 PM »
They're new to me--thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #209 on: July 17, 2010, 08:06:54 PM »
I have only seen the one of Olga...WOW they are great! Thank you for posting !!

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