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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #300 on: September 09, 2011, 01:01:12 AM »
Thank You for that information Robert. It seems to me  their faith was also crucial  in the enduring of their imprisonment as well as thier deaths. The strenth of their faith is awe inspiring. 

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #301 on: September 09, 2011, 02:18:11 AM »
Yeah, I know about the history of the church, but I was wondering about the change in the Russian churches position that they didn't fit the category for being saints. I especially heard there was debate over Nicholas II becoming a saint. But now that they are saints, what will people pray to them for? BTW, is it common not to make someone a saint who isn't of the faith they are being made a saint in? I'm just wondering if this is both a Catholic and Orthodox practice, because 2 of the servants weren't canonized?

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #302 on: September 09, 2011, 08:14:07 AM »
In addition to what Mandie has said, the Great Schism between East & West was in 1450...
The year was 1054, and if the memory serves me, the period of burning the icons was in the 8th century, because the Saints were/are represented as humans on the icons. The Tsarina and Olga tried to make the cross before the execution.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #303 on: September 09, 2011, 09:30:41 AM »
because 2 of the servants weren't canonized?

Because one or two of them weren't Orthodox christians.  I think Alexei Trupp, the footman was Roman Catholic.

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« Reply #304 on: September 09, 2011, 11:50:53 AM »
Thank you Nena,  that was the Great Schism. There were attempts at reconciliation until the fall of Constantinople when the Eastern Church felt betrayed by the Western.
  That was the final break.
 As for icons,  they are items worthy of veneration, to pry for intervention, etc.  One does pray TO a saint, one prays THROUGH a saint. That is, asks  for  their assist in help from god.
  In the case of the IF, the Russian Orthodox Outside of Russia canonised thousands of "victims of the Bolshevik regime"  The IF amongst them. [hope I worded that right]. In that, they were simply victims like the rest.
 The Mother Church, years later, declared them "blessed and worthy", hence "Passion Bearers".
 As far as I understand it, there is some sort of reconciliation  between the  two now going on, but the issue of the Romanovs is not deemed an important issue, at least  for now. [despite the problems of the bones...]
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #305 on: January 14, 2012, 07:29:13 AM »
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #306 on: January 14, 2012, 11:09:20 AM »
I found something strange! An "icon-stile" picture of GD Sergey Alexandrovich ::) He is not canonized!


More icons and pseudo-icons  here:
http://shakko.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9-%D0%B2-%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%85-%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80/

   Very interesting indeed!  Thank you for the illustration.   Regards,  AP.

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« Reply #307 on: January 14, 2012, 07:10:38 PM »
I think he actually is. From the ROCOR in the mass "HOLY MARTYRS canonisation. I may be corrected, however.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #308 on: January 15, 2012, 03:38:56 AM »
I think he actually is. From the ROCOR in the mass "HOLY MARTYRS canonisation. I may be corrected, however.
Ah...maybe! I mean, he isn't canonized by Russian Orthodox church, but by  ROCOR - maybe.
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New Icon of Nicholas, Alexandra and Aleksey
« Reply #309 on: October 02, 2012, 12:57:48 PM »
I just had a copy of this ikon painted - since I already had one of the four Grand Duchesses painted last month I only did Nicholas, Alexandra and Aleksey.  It's 20 inches tall. I'll attach the original as well.



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Re: New Icon of Nicholas, Alexandra and Aleksey
« Reply #310 on: October 03, 2012, 11:07:47 PM »
These are stunning, thank you for posting!

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #311 on: October 17, 2012, 01:16:40 PM »
I think of the Grand Duke Serge Alexandrovich Icon is that some Russians always thought of the Romanovs, exp the Tsar as God on earth, and family members are considered "holy" I even found icons of Tsar Paul and Grand Duchess Alexandra Pertrovna (wife of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaievich, son of Nicholas I) whom became a nun.

GD Serge was killed by a revolutionary, whom many were atheist if you think about it.

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #312 on: November 15, 2012, 07:05:09 PM »



Konstantin, Ioann and Igor KR's sons sorry if it was already posted. I looked and didn't see it. To me Ioann loke more like Gavril here.
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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #313 on: November 15, 2012, 08:09:29 PM »
Thanks for posting...nice to see  some recognition for these young men

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Re: Imperial Icons
« Reply #314 on: February 11, 2013, 02:02:17 AM »
Another strange icon (Nicholas II):
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