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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2004, 12:58:37 PM »
"If only Alexander II had not been blown up then..."
all of these "if only's"....reminds me of my grandfather's saying "If only my grandmother had had testicles then she would have been my grandfather..." But ya ARE in that wheelchair Blanche...but ya ARE...
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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2004, 01:00:06 PM »
Oh Mr Admin , too, too funny for words, poor old Blanche

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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2004, 01:02:53 PM »
I think that jacob has a strong point. If it was not for Alexandra taking the advice of rasputin and firing several successful politicians and making a hash of ruling 200 million people while Nicholas was away at the front then the history may prtobably have been different.

I know that Alexandra was a very sensitive person and she showed great love for her children and bravery and heroicism during the war tending to the wounded, but if only she had not have been so stupid taking rasputin advice and being so vulnerble. She should have just asked rasputin to mind his own business in affairs of state and sticked only to helping Alexis then history wouldf have been differnet.

And jacobs point about the court entertaining I see where he was coming from. If she had been more sociable and then maybe the ladies of court would have like her better and people like Grand duchess vladimir would not have thopught so lowly of her then perhaps the family ties would have been stronger and lassted the whole duration of the war.

Dont be so harsh on jacob he says many true things.

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2004, 01:07:12 PM »
To all.
"Jacob" and "Jake" are the same person, pretending to be different people. I have terminated his access to the forum. My apologies to all.

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2004, 01:10:31 PM »
Thank you, but in a way it does us all good to have to explain our beliefs and why we stand by them. I can give very good reasons why I would not have AF called evil, but again thanks for sending him to the valley of smotes, little pisher, oops here I go again being all anglo saxon !!!

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2004, 01:15:05 PM »
David,
I received several requests from members upset at the original post. However, the essential point was/is a valid issue to discuss. Many people blame Alexandra for much of the Revolution, without looking at the historical accuracy of their position. I only terminated the "little pisher" (was called that alot as a kid by my grandpa, no idea WHY...LOL) because he was behaving in false manner by pretending to be different people. I have every poster's IP address logged and so could easily see it was the same guy.

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2004, 01:16:02 PM »
The original post had me rolling on the floor. I can't believe someone would place the entire blame for the Russian Revolution on one person. Thanks for ridding us of this person - although I could stand a good laugh now and then.

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2004, 01:20:41 PM »
Little pisher its a lovely pfrase I picked up while I lived in NYC tears ago, New Yorkers they have such an expressive vocabulary

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2004, 02:00:01 PM »

One should reject the first entry on this "topic"!!!

How can one dare to speak in this way about the Tsarina!

The russian upper class was underserving to have an Empress like Alix of Hesse!

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2004, 02:01:17 PM »
Regarding the potential of Alix to destroy the Autocratic system... Well this is interesting.

While I must agree that A.F. was -- if not actually evil -- then decidedly emotionally unstable, I feel that the autocratic system in Russia was already rotting away from within.
Alix was no saint and no sinner either - she was just a rather egocentric and unstable individual - just like most of us! But she had one differance...she was telling the weak willed tsar exactly what to do - and he was listening.
Had this poor couple lived in any other place or time they would have hopefully been very happy. They did love each other. Sadly love and responsibility for a hugh nation do not often go hand in hand.

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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2004, 02:34:18 PM »
Thank you Forum Administrator for terminating "Jacob" from this site. I could not believe his post when I read it this morning. At the time there were zero replies...I was formulating a response in my mind all through my morning chores...and then logged back on...and saw the flurry of responses. I third Janet's response, though that no longer seems necessary-but did want to add my two kopecks worth!  Melissa K.

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2004, 03:05:58 PM »
My one concern . . . did our friend Jake/Jacob know the rules going in? (i.e., the Nonduplicitous Clause?!)  ;)

I think most of us are okay with challenges to previously held opinions, as long as those challenges are backed up with factual statements and some civility!


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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2004, 03:52:45 PM »
JAkob/jake has indeed shown he has little knowledge of history.

My theory is actually that even a more able tsar would probably not have made much of a difference. I think the Revolution was inevitable once Russia had entered the war.

In addition, I believe the Bolshevik revolution could take place in Russia - and not anywhere else - precisely because Russian culture has always been a culture  tending towards the reliance on a paradigm of unity rather than one of difference as the Western one. Like orthodoxy communism stands for this unity paradigm. The bourgeois Provisional Government was bound to fall because there was no bourgeoisie to sustain it.
In the west democracy had always been a movement of the middle classes, as early as the middle ages.
Even today one can notice the difficulty Russia has with implementing a democracy of the Western type .

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2004, 03:57:17 PM »
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"If only Alexander II had not been blwn up then..."
all of these "if only's"....reminds me of my grandfather's saying "If only my grandmother had had testicles then she would have been my grandfather..." But ya ARE in that wheelchair Blanche...but ya ARE...



Hoo hoo hahh haa!  I love ya, FA!!!

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Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2004, 04:08:04 PM »
Ummm, just a question. Could Jake be the shorten name for Jacob and he started out with Jacob and as he felt he was becoming more comfortable with the board-ha ha ha--he switched to "Jake."

I do agree that his posts were inflammatory and posted to get a rise out of us.

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