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Offline brondsted

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Princes Orlov
« on: November 10, 2008, 01:56:34 PM »
Dear Members.

Who was this Prince Orloff? From a Danish book by Otto Brenner "Leksikon over danske familier", 1927, I have the following information:

The Danish-jewish manufacturer Julius Adler (1835-1902) and his wife Thea née Monies (1842-89) were the parents of "princess Olga Orloff" (she was born in Copenhagen the 15th of August 1868).
 
Recently, I was contacted by the owner of a small country house "Bakkegården" in Hillerød north of Copenhagen (see Danish site http://www.bakkegaarden.eu/omgaarden.html) who had made some research into the history of the house: 1919 it was sold to a person who signes himself "W.P. Orloff" and a debenture was signed by "Olga Orloff" (probably Olga née Adler)  and testified by M. Rothenborg, probably my grand uncle Max Rothenborg, a lawyer who was related to the Adler family. Only one year later in 1920 the house was sold again and the Orloff-family apparently left Denmark.

Can anybody, based on these facts, give me further information about this Prince Orloff?

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Tom Brøndsted, Denmark

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 07:02:11 AM »
Maybe I should add the following information. Princess Olga Orloff had a sister Karen Bramson (1875-1936), an author (Danish and French) and cosmopolitan who lived in Paris from about 1914 (you can easily "google" her). If Olga was a similar roving personality, she could have married the mysterious Prince Orloff "anywhere" (St. Petersburg, Paris, New York ...). Olga also had a brother Oluf Julius Adler (1873-?) who lived in Chicago from about 1900.

In a Danish discussiongroup http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?1,486652 the suggestion has come up that Prince Orloff may have belonged to the circle round Princess Dagmar, the Danish wife of Tsar Alexander III, who 1918 escaped to England and in Klampenborg in Denmark hat a residence where many Russian refugees met.

Of course, Prince Orloff may have been a widower/devorced as he married Olga Adler.

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 04:08:37 PM »
Princess Olga Orloff nee Princess Belosselsky-Belozersky who died in Paris in 1923 was the divorced (1917)wife of Prince Vladimir Orloff and was a passenger with her only son Prince Nicholas and his wife (the younger daughter of Grand Duke Peter) on the H M S Marlborough.Prince Vladimir left Russia seperately with his second wife Princess Elisabeth and settled a Lamorlaye his estate near St Cloud where he died in the mid 1920's...Princess Olga is most remembered for her portrait by Serov. A tall,extremely graceful woman reputed to be the best dressed woman in St Petersburg..she had inherited her blue eyes but not her beauty from her mother nee Skobolev..sister of the famous General and of the celebrated beauty Zina Countess Beauharnais and Duchess of Leutchenberg

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 04:15:12 PM »
Thanks Ashdean.

This is actually also what was under consideration in the Danish forum. Could Prince Vladimir Orloff after his divorce have married Olga Adler. If he is the "W.P. Orloff" on the contract mentioned above: what does 'P' stand for (presuming W stands for Wladimir)?

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 11:57:04 AM »
Thanks Ashdean.

This is actually also what was under consideration in the Danish forum. Could Prince Vladimir Orloff after his divorce have married Olga Adler. If he is the "W.P. Orloff" on the contract mentioned above: what does 'P' stand for (presuming W stands for Wladimir)?

I have not my notebooks with precise details to hand but I know that Vladimirs second wife was by birth a Countess..previously married and outlived her husband (and I think her stepson..who himself had 2 daughters and died I think in 1961) by many years..Vladimir had one brother Nicholas who died unmarried in 1916.

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 11:59:18 AM »
Thanks Ashdean.

This is actually also what was under consideration in the Danish forum. Could Prince Vladimir Orloff after his divorce have married Olga Adler. If he is the "W.P. Orloff" on the contract mentioned above: what does 'P' stand for (presuming W stands for Wladimir)?

W and V are interchangable for Vladimir but  Prince Orlovs patronymic was Nikolayevitch

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 12:05:12 PM »
Thanks Ashdean.

This is actually also what was under consideration in the Danish forum. Could Prince Vladimir Orloff after his divorce have married Olga Adler. If he is the "W.P. Orloff" on the contract mentioned above: what does 'P' stand for (presuming W stands for Wladimir)?

I have not my notebooks with precise details to hand but I know that Vladimirs second wife was by birth a Countess..previously married and outlived her husband (and I think her stepson..who himself had 2 daughters and died I think in 1961) by many years..Vladimir had one brother Nicholas who died unmarried in 1916.
The second Princess Vladimir Orlov was by birth  Countess Elisabeth Luders Weymarn

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2012, 09:23:36 AM »
Staying at a spa in July 1862 in Biarritz, Bismarck then 47 fell in love with Katharina Orloff, the 25 year younger wife of the Russian ambassador in Brussels.



Is there more information about her?

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 07:20:30 AM »
She was born Princess Troubetzkaya. Nothing special is known about her. An interesting fact though that her  grandson Nikolai married a Romanov Princess, Nadejda Petrovna, daughter of GD Petr.

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 09:17:00 AM »
Svetabel thank you very much for your reply.

I don't know she was a Troubetzkaya.

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Re: Princes Orlov
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2013, 04:48:39 PM »
A photo of Princess Catherine (1840-75)