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Re: Prince George of Greece & Princess Marie Bonaparte
« Reply #315 on: September 23, 2008, 02:37:56 AM »
Little Marie, around the time, when she began with her "diaries":





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« Reply #316 on: September 24, 2008, 02:25:10 AM »
Unfortunately this picture was not in my volume of the book by Celia Bertin, @Benjamin has another one (in English of course) and there this picture was in, and I was very surprised. It stands under the picture that it was made by Roland Bonaparte, her father, who is well known as great photgrapher of his time...
I think it's so see that Mimi has a certain melancholic face (so in my opinion)
The stories, which she wrote in her diaries, are very sad.
Marie later wrote "real" diaries again and told it is that she had forgotten about those old texts "The phantastic, absurd, and bizarre content irritates me" she wrote. Freud helped her to understand those things...!
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« Reply #317 on: September 24, 2008, 11:33:12 AM »
It is scary for one to revisit their past...

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« Reply #318 on: October 10, 2008, 06:10:51 AM »
Yes, her childhood must have been very unhappy, those verses she wrote in her diary as little girl really show a desperate child, who felt totally misunderstood and alone with her thoughts. What a luckyness that she later became such a proper lady. She was irritated about those things even by herself, when she one day found those diaries with " the black depressing cover" again and got a chance to understand them though Freud. There is are lot of dark sexuality thoughts in it as well, but the book by Bertin only shows a little part of those early childhood writing of Marie. I think it would also be interesting to see the others as well, but I fear I would not understand it. A did a beginner psychoanalysis lesson in the university last year, but this is not enough I suppose, I don't have any experience...and only once -some years ago- I looked into the book "Myths of War", which  Princess Marie published in 1947 and which is interpreting antisemitism and holocaust from a a pychoanalytical view (after the lesson at the university it was the first time for me to understand at least a bit what I read a lot of years ago, as it is connected with the "Urtrieb" (english word?????)) and it was more than hard for the to understand the meaning before...she wrote very difficultly and quotes hundreds of other texts and books, which she had read but not me :D)
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« Reply #319 on: October 11, 2008, 11:25:28 AM »
Here some pictures of older Marie. For me they are new, they are from an austrian photoarchive....













The second last shows Marie some months before her death. There she was still so active, even when having some illnesses because of her age, like heart problems etc. She still wanted to learn Russian some weeks before her death and was still writing in hospital before she died. A pity that she got leucemia in the same year, which brought her to grave (Too many cancer patients among the Bonapartes... :'()
It seems (so from the pics) she became also a bit crooked in her age, which lets her seem smaller than she actually was. Interesting is that she was quite tall for a lady of her time. She must have been about 1,74 m, because at 14 she was already 1,72 m, so I have read.
Also her father Roland was considered as a "giant" for his time, it's funny that especially of the later Bonapartes many are extremely tall... :)
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« Reply #320 on: October 11, 2008, 11:32:47 AM »
Before I forget it...thanks to @Benjamin for mentioning this photo- page!!!
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« Reply #321 on: October 11, 2008, 01:38:57 PM »
Great pictures ! I am stunned !  :o

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« Reply #322 on: October 12, 2008, 02:54:04 AM »
Yes, they are rare, I have not seen them before. I think it's because it's an austrian archive, and many psychoanalytical things took place in Vienna, as it was Freud's home, so...I only wished some of the picture could be bigger and were without the water mark!
Glad, you enjoyed them...!
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« Reply #323 on: October 12, 2008, 03:14:24 AM »
It wa also interesting to see that she sits and works togehter with only men beside her (see second pic) Really unusual and rare that a lady- and then a lady from her society- worked with psychoanalytical things, which was a "jewish" and rather a men's  work. Nevertheless she always stayed "royal" and followed her royal "tasks". She's simply unique!!!

If you now compare the older Marie to granddaughter Tatiana, especially in profile, they are very similar. It's fascinating.
I have to tell, I have once written to her to ask if she might answer some questions on her grandmother or could help along with some memories for my work on Marie, but no answer. A pity. Her brother Carlo Alessandro was much more helpful, and I am still so happy that I once had the chance to phone him.  :)



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« Reply #324 on: October 12, 2008, 04:13:23 PM »
Tatiana looked like a carbon copy of Princess Eugenie...

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« Reply #325 on: October 16, 2008, 10:32:01 AM »
Yes, she's similar to her mother, but in profile I see a lot of grandmother Marie in her, but the eyes are rather from the "greek" side...
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« Reply #326 on: October 16, 2008, 10:32:51 AM »
Upps, you said "looked"...but Tatiana is still alive, isn't she????
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« Reply #327 on: October 16, 2008, 11:29:33 AM »
I don't know if she changed her look. For example Princess Margaret was praised in her youth for her Stuart Charm and good looks, in old age they said her looks were more Hanoverian like George III...

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Re: Prince George of Greece & Princess Marie Bonaparte
« Reply #328 on: November 30, 2008, 09:10:47 AM »


On what occasion were these stunning photos taken ?

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Re: Prince George of Greece & Princess Marie Bonaparte
« Reply #329 on: November 30, 2008, 10:00:20 PM »
Don't know,I even forgot about this picture...