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Offline Olga

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Identification of People in Rasputin Caricature
« on: November 15, 2004, 05:24:10 AM »
I have taken Lisa's lead and numbered this caricature for identification.



1. Hmmmm, I wonder?
2. Anna Vyrubova
3. Nikolai Alexandrovich
4. Alexandra Fyodorovna
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???



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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 08:25:24 AM »
I thought #5 might be Rodzyanko.

Just a guess.

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2005, 09:38:43 PM »

Olga,

I’m not really down with these caricatures, but I thought I’d give it a go anyway…

I think that number 5 could be portraying a Japanese officer.  I think it resembles the ‘oriental’ war-time representations of the Japanese… the squinty eyes, bald head, goatee, large ape type ears and not to mention he’s really fat…I might be way off I’m not sure.  

This might also be way off but I thought number 6 could be the Kaiser.  I know it’s a long shot, but he has the moustache and a similar hair style, plus he has been made to look quiet pretentious (but then again if it was supposed to be him I would think there would be something more obvious, like a Prussian helmet or a crown, and that he’d be made to look alot worse.).  Also something that supports this is that he seems to be pointing to the card the Empress is holding up (its either his hand or number 7’s) – I think that defiantly has an image of the Kaiser on it, (hinting at her being pro-German).  Therefore, if number 6 was supposed to be the Kaiser its would seem he was pointing out rather smugly the support of the Empress…

I have no idea about number 7…. I thought he looked like an old-school slightly mutant (Santa).
There’s always the possibility they are just representing the general ruling class, two being in officers uniforms, and the other possibly a clergyman?? (I thought maybe because of the black robe he seems to be wearing, and the long beard – but again I would think that they would have him wearing one of those little black orthodox top hat thing….I hope that didn’t sound disrespectful, lol )

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2005, 11:58:50 AM »
7 - I am sure it's Sturmer

5 - I think it is Protopopov or Grabbe?

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2005, 12:06:06 PM »
I think #6 may be Protopopov (?). The Kaiser's mustache would probably be longer  :)

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2005, 12:10:30 PM »
6 is Protopopov for sure. We know he was a friend of Rasputin's.
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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2005, 12:12:58 PM »
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6 is Protopopov for sure. We know he was a friend of Rasputin's and here is his picture.
  
 Thanks, that's what I thought....

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2005, 10:06:29 AM »
7 is definately a bishop or famous priest. He is holding an icon, so he must be a man of the Russian Church.

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2005, 10:32:52 AM »
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7 is definately a bishop or famous priest. He is holding an icon, so he must be a man of the Russian Church.
FA, I think Alexandra is the one who is holding the icon, or rather I think it may be a picture of Kaiser Wilheim, at least it looks that way to me (see the WI's)....
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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2005, 04:16:14 AM »
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5 - "Old Man" Goremykin ?

7 - Peter A. Badmaev caricaturing the Tibetan medicine influence ?

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Goremykin certainly doesn't look like that. He has very characteristic sideburns and hairstyle. And Badmaev was a central-asian with normal oriental facial features. He had a round face and was not at all skinny.
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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2005, 04:38:14 AM »
OK, here I am comparing the cartoon to some photos that I have.
5 could be Trepov??

6 is most probably Protopopov since he looks so much like the picture of him posted on this page. On the other hand by the time the above cartoon was drawn, Protopopov's hair was completely white. It also resembles Stolypin somehow, especially the curls in his moustache.

7 is definitely Sturmer, although this being a cartoon, the length of his beard is exaggerated.
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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2005, 12:56:02 PM »

I dont the identities for sure but
6 could also be grand duke mikhail(he looks like that in later pictures)
5 probably wouldnt be a japanese officer because the russo/japan war had been over for at least 6-7 years
7 is not a priest though he does have a long beard, it wouldnt have been uncommon among lay people

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2005, 05:12:26 PM »
1. Rasputin
2. Vyrubova
3. Nici
4. A.F.
5.Beletskiy (thick, but not asian)
6. Protopopov
7. Shtyumer

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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2006, 03:27:53 PM »
"Alexandra" is holding up a card with W W I I written on it and what appears to be a picture of the Kaiser (I am guessing by the distinctive mustache) or some sort of stereotypical German officer.  #7 is pointing to it.  

Could this be a prediction of some sort?  What's the background of the caricature?  
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Re: Identification of Rasputin Picture
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2009, 06:12:11 PM »
Count of Court Vladimir Nicholaeivich Voeikov is No. 6, i think. 
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