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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2008, 02:14:14 AM »
Dear Svevtabel, is there an oppurtunity to email the publisher or writer?

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2008, 02:44:25 AM »
The correspondence has been published in the Almanach "Russian Archive", I've not seen there any reference to e-mail.

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2008, 02:52:14 AM »
It's quite interesting that GD Konstantin K. from time to time said to his wife that Ioann was like him and was the most similar to him in nature. The most common opinion is/was that Prince Oleg, the most talented son, was like GD KR, but KR itself admitted to some courtier Oleg was only similar to him in his poetic experiences but Ioann had the same as father's uneasy and turbulent character.

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2008, 06:16:44 AM »
Are there any mention of his children?They were too young when he died but did he mention what kind of mother and father were Princess Elena and him?

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2009, 10:23:24 AM »
Are there any mention of his children?They were too young when he died but did he mention what kind of mother and father were Princess Elena and him?

There are few letters of Ioann's 1912-1915 period. Most of the epistolary from these years are telegrams to father/mother/brothers. He doesn't say anything important about his wife or children, just asks his parents to look after them and thanks for parents' concern about Elena and children.
So this guise of Ioann (father and husband) is not clear from the lines.

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2009, 11:29:42 AM »
Too bad...he seems like he would be a great father(maybe I am wrong) concerning all what have I read so far about him...and a good husband,devoted to his wife,unlike his father :-)

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2009, 09:56:54 AM »
Interesting about his loves...even though his loves were mostly commoners,they did come from the same social circle as he did...If there was a Marie von der Pahlen,she would be a Countess,Narishkina a Princess etc.,so not that they were that common...I wonder why he thought that he wouldn't be premitted a marriage with GD Olga...Because he was only a Prince of the Imperial blood or...?I once read somewhere that her parents wanted her to stay in Russia,so he would be an ideal choice....he was a Russian subject,he was Prince of Russia,he was of equal birth and he was really in love with Olga...

In the eyes of the Imperial Laws Lyubov Narishkina or Marina von der Palen were commoners , even though they were from the same social circle as Ioann...As for GDss Olga I can't say exactly why he thought he wouldn't be permitted to marry her but Empress Alexandra F. was definitely convinced that all the Konstantinovitchi, though good boys, had very weak health (and she was right in fact). Possibly Ioann thought Olga didn't like him or who knows...at least GD Konstantin K, responding to that letter of his son, said nothing on the reason "why woudn't be permitted".

Back to question with GDss Olga N.  I've reread Ioann's letters to his mother and found the lines with Prince's  bitter words that he wil never marry Olga as SHE [Olga] is the TZAR's daughter (so he considers himself far beneath her) and if he ever try to do a step with proposal everyone will blame the family of GD Konstantin in scheming and intruguing.

I must say that Ioann's correspondence with his mother, GDss Elizaveta M., is very tender in tune. He definitely adored her much, was obedient and careful son, and confided some love secrets to mother.  By the way in 1904 when he had wrote to father about his desire to marry Ioann told to mother that he was reading Tourgenev and some Russian literature and (as Prince put it) all those books were about marriage! So that's why he began to think about his own family nest : )

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2009, 09:00:30 PM »
Poor Ioann,I think he would be a great match for GD Olga if she wanted to stay in Russia and not marrying foreign royal...of course in that case her choice of equal husbands would be some Prince von Oldenburg,Prince von Leuchtenberg or some cousin Prince of blood...don't think there were any other ''foreign'' equal princes living in Russia!

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2009, 06:59:27 AM »
As for "loves" of Prince Ioann before his marriage.


Then the last mention of a commoner. Lyubov Alexandrovna Narishkina (1890-1967) , who later married in 1914 Prince Sergei Alexandrovitch Obolenskiy (1879-1960), and they had 6 children (the family emigrated and lived in England and France). Prince Ioann told about Lyubochka December 1910 and pointed out that she was a quiet shy girl , and for 1st time a girl fell in love with him, usually Ioann himself had found an object for adoration. Prince wrote to father he felt that he would love Lyubochka more and more and asked for fatherly blessing and stressed that Tatiana (his sister) had been permitted to marry Prince Bagration so why not Ioann could be permitted to marry Narishkina. GD Konstantin answered that the question of Tatiana and Bagration had not been solved yet and reproached his son for his warm temperament.


Here's the last "Ioann's girl"  in question, Lyubov Alexandrovna Narishkina:



(courtesy of Vera_Narishkin)

And where do you think I find this rare picture?? At the Yusupov subforum here at the AP Forums! While browsing very old topis I've dug out the photo which had been posted by Vera_Narishkin, niece of Lyubov Alexandrovna... It's just an ironic smile at me as I've been trying to fish up Narishkina's image in any place - I-net, volumes of Russian Nobility and so on : )...and finally...
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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2009, 09:21:21 AM »
Great find...I wonder what kind of answer would Ioann get if he really wanted to marry her...Narishkin family is an old noble family...maybe not former ruling like Bagration,but respected in Russian nobility...I would say she was not a ''complete'' commoner and yet a commoner in royal terms...something likethe case of  Princess Ekaterina Dolgorukaya...

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2009, 12:39:06 PM »
Great find...I wonder what kind of answer would Ioann get if he really wanted to marry her...Narishkin family is an old noble family...maybe not former ruling like Bagration,but respected in Russian nobility...I would say she was not a ''complete'' commoner and yet a commoner in royal terms...something likethe case of  Princess Ekaterina Dolgorukaya...

Moreover the Narishkins are Romanovs' relatives, as Peter the Great's mother was Narishkina... I think Ioann was not so much in love into Lyubov Alexandrovna as he pointed out that was she who had a crush on him. Seemes he just jumped at the idea of marriage with that girl becouse he was eager for love and family life. Also he wrote to father that he would intend to wait for a year (!!!) as he wanted Lyuba  love him more and deeper.

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 09:45:46 AM »
Hi Svetabel
I'm very interesting about the letters of my grand-father. If it possible please send a example of his handwriting.
Thank you very much

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2010, 05:53:58 AM »
Hi Svetabel
I'm very interesting about the letters of my grand-father. If it possible please send a example of his handwriting.
Thank you very much

I PM'd you.

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2010, 10:46:11 AM »
thank you very much Svetabel. I dont understand russian but I try to search anyone to help me.

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Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2010, 05:50:22 AM »
Svetabel, Could you give us the exact references of the book, I would like to read and have it, if only I can find it. Is there anything in the letters about the relationship beetwen Ioann Konstantinovitch and Elisabeth Feodorovna?
It is interesting that Ioann's brother Konstantin also pretended to Olga Nicholaevna's hand...