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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2009, 02:13:25 PM »
Another shot from the same session ;)


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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2009, 02:14:35 PM »
And the last one I have from this session...


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2009, 10:09:03 AM »

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2009, 07:43:09 AM »
Let's post mine:p - Well most I have are posted but I've got ome rare-ones, so:p


A little-known picture of the Empress, sitting on the left with gray hair. On the back you can see one of her famous Winterhalter-paintings


Last known picture of the Emperor and Empress, taken in Kissingen, 1898. Posted earlier by Princess Susan


The last known picture of the Empress in Territet, together with Countess Irma Sztaray



The ensemble the Empress wore the day she died, september 10th 1898. A mark left by the file can be clearly seen


I've got all pictures and information from the next two books:
'Elisabeth' by Martin Ross.
'Sisi, Haunted by Destiny' by Wim Ewalt.

Both books are only available in dutch I am afraid.

Sorry for the quality of some pictures, I'll try to get them better later.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2009, 08:19:28 AM »
The last one brought tears in my eyes.... for very first time i see the exactly dress which Sissi was wearing on her last day.... Poor Sissi.... Poor Queen Elisabeth....
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2009, 08:27:58 AM »
Yes, it breaks my heart too. You can clearly see the maerk, where the dress was 'penetrated' by the file. She also, really was thin in her last years. In these days we would probably say she had an eating disorder, but from what we know she really did it on purpose to keep her figure.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2009, 08:46:22 AM »
She was thin yes... I wonder how the dress survived for so many years... Almost 2 centuries...
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2009, 11:27:27 AM »
She may not have been as beautiful as her sister, but she had very beautiful soul - unlike Sisi.

I don't agree. I cannot say Sisi was an angel but she was not bad either. She was depressed alot, she had to suffer alot and that took much of her strenght. She lost her daughter Sophie, her son Rudolf, and was forced to live by the rules of her mother-in-law. She refused, and therefore was not liked by the 'elder garde' at court. She fought for her life, to live it as she wished, but Sophie did not allow it. She took her children away, and in a way also ruined the marriage. Sis and Franz-Joseph were different yes, but if Archduchess Sophie would have left the couple alone their love might have survived. But she just was depressed alot and sensed that the 'Old World' was coming to an end. Also the fact that she lost her son, while she just realised ho much they were alike, did not much good. Her life was full of tragedy and all of that made her depressed.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2009, 11:49:51 AM »
She may not have been as beautiful as her sister, but she had very beautiful soul - unlike Sisi.

I don't agree. I cannot say Sisi was an angel but she was not bad either. She was depressed alot, she had to suffer alot and that took much of her strenght. She lost her daughter Sophie, her son Rudolf, and was forced to live by the rules of her mother-in-law. She refused, and therefore was not liked by the 'elder garde' at court. She fought for her life, to live it as she wished, but Sophie did not allow it. She took her children away, and in a way also ruined the marriage. Sis and Franz-Joseph were different yes, but if Archduchess Sophie would have left the couple alone their love might have survived. But she just was depressed alot and sensed that the 'Old World' was coming to an end. Also the fact that she lost her son, while she just realised ho much they were alike, did not much good. Her life was full of tragedy and all of that made her depressed.

However I like Elisabeth, but I have to say, that she wasn't the only one in the XIX. Century, who lost one or more of her children and had to live by the rules of somebody... so it is worthless to favour her in sympathy.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2009, 12:02:54 PM »
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2009, 12:27:04 PM »
However I like Elisabeth, but I have to say, that she wasn't the only one in the XIX. Century, who lost one or more of her children and had to live by the rules of somebody... so it is worthless to favour her in sympathy.

Ofcourse, but that is why I admire her and like her because she stood up for her own life, that is what makes me love her, the fact that she had the courage to stand op to people who tried to keep her down.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2009, 01:26:50 PM »
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)

I have read about Helena and Sisi. Im not saying Sisi was bad, but she lacked all the qualities I really admire. While Helena had them all.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2009, 03:06:42 PM »
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)

I have read about Helena and Sisi. Im not saying Sisi was bad, but she lacked all the qualities I really admire. While Helena had them all.

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I have read about her and her relatives also plenty of books.
I feel sorry for her because, she got married so young and lost her yought so prematurely. Always makes me sad, when I read, that she couldn't find rest and something still forced her to go "from place to place". And horrible conditions of her death...But I don't think, that her fate was so "awful".
In that times, when marriage was considered for "business" not only among royal and noble families, she was in the contrary lucky. Because definitely is not matter of course to have loving, devoted husband. And I think, Franz Josef was such a husband, although he couldn't really understand her and her feelings. Their characters and ways of their upbringing were too different...
But despite of this, he always supported her hobbies, travelling and other whims, although he was not able followed her and shared her interests.
It seams to me, that their marriage, wasn't so bad like is often presented. Although they lived separately most of time, they were still in writing contact.
Who has ever read their letters to each other, knows about what I am takling.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2009, 04:06:47 PM »
That is why I said Sisi was disillusioned. By the time she was free to do her liberal work for her country, she lost interest and went for her hobbies.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2009, 04:10:32 PM »
Indeed.....
In my opinion you can't be a "fan" of Sissi if you don't know nothing about her.... Then you will start speaking blethers..... I feel very sorry for what happened to her.... And i don't accept the murder of her.... That italian anarchist is burning in hell......
And so i can't believe how somebody(Elisabeth) had such a awful life..... We can't either say that she didn't had beautiful soul... as  Imperial_Grounds said "she wasn't an angel but she was not bad either"
We should respect Elisabeth for what she was... and such a "hastily" quotes must be "narrowed"(?)

I have read about Helena and Sisi. Im not saying Sisi was bad, but she lacked all the qualities I really admire. While Helena had them all.

Excuse me if i sound rude... i didn't mean to.... ofcourse you have read about her... you wouldn't enter this topic if you didn't.... the thing is that i know better for Sissi then for Helena.... i tried looking for Helene but i saw very little.....

That is why I said Sisi was disillusioned. By the time she was free to do her liberal work for her country, she lost interest and went for her hobbies.

Indeed and she missed big part of the childhood of her children...and according to what i know she start affairs with other men....
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