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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2006, 02:14:05 AM »
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Ambrose Dudley did very well for himself though didn't he


Yes I was just looking at that! His name reminds me of rice pudding though, for some reason!

Catherine Dudley, the youngest daughter also did well, becoming Countess of Huntingdon. It was good to be a Dudley under Elizabeth.

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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2006, 05:04:07 AM »
The Duke of Northumberlannd and his wife had a taste for unusual names: Ambrose, Guildford (after his mother's surname) and Temperance!
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2006, 05:23:48 AM »
Mmmmmm Ambrosia creamed rice pudding yum ;D
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2006, 07:07:19 AM »
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The Duke of Northumberlannd and his wife had a taste for unusual names: Ambrose, Guildford (after his mother's surname) and Temperance!



yeah i wonder how robert felt about being the odd one out ;D
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2006, 10:00:26 AM »
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yeah i wonder how robert felt about being the odd one out ;D


With his sisters Catherine and Mary!  ;D Mary, married to Sir Henry Sydney, was a lady-in-waiting to Elizabeth, apparently she was close to Robert.
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2006, 08:42:36 PM »
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Mmmmmm Ambrosia creamed rice pudding yum ;D

Mmmm...that would be Kim turning the thread into a buffet..

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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2006, 11:50:39 PM »
getting back to the thread---didn't Edward call his sister Elizabeth his "sweet sister Temperance?"  I always wondered how she took that!!!

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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2006, 10:31:22 AM »
She probably took it as a compliment, or wisely pretended to!  ;D Temperance meant 'restraint' and Edward was indicating that he thought Elizabeth the perfect modest Protestant maiden - this was in her wearing only black and white period.
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2006, 11:15:01 AM »
It seems that he was rather a religious fanatic, although very able and intelligent to be sure. He seems to have had more intellect than his father,and to have been someone who would commit himself to things rather than go through everything with no loyalty, as his father did. He would have been very Protestant, and woudn't have had the tolerance that chracterized Elizabeth. This woundn't have been wise for England, at all. Who knows- maybe he would be known as ''Bloody Edward''?  ;) He was more gifted than his father, although he was begining to imitate him ( not a good path), but while all Tudor Kings were showman, he seems to have had less potential than this father, perhaps he had more substance? He had a good upbrining, so he woudn't have been haunted by that, as Mary was haunted by  how things suddenly changed so much after Anne Boleyn showed up on the scene.

And he had a more formed character than many at the age he died at, although some things may have changed. He wouldn't have changed in his protestant convictions. He most likely would have made a better ruler than his father, but perhaps had some bad traits too, like fantacism. He might have married anybody, but Elisabeth of France is a good guess. As for Lady Jane Grey, while some things might have been suitable about her, such as temprament, religious beliefs, age, and being related to royalty, others woudn't have such as her being nobility, and his desire to marry a foreign Princess, or at least realizing it would be better for his country if he did, and also together their religious fantacism would have been a bit much. ;D
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2006, 03:23:57 PM »
i don't think he would have made a better ruler than his father. i think he would have been mary's equivalent in protestantism - bloody edward if you want. no matter how intelligent he was, fanaticism was bad and was ruining it all
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2006, 10:37:56 AM »
It's hard to say, but perhaps he would have brought to Protestantism what Mary brought to Cathlocism, in other words not so good..

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Edward VI
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2009, 02:17:32 PM »
Hi , I'm  new  =]  *waves* 
I'm quite fascinated by this boy and what he could of become, i see many of you have mentioned his short tempered-ness and being a bit of a **** over all in other posts but as i have found out from lots of research he was actually very sweet natured in who he was and had a controlled temper,although he could get very angry and was known to have torn a falcon in half at one time he rarely displayed his anger or got overly angry, many of his contemporaries commented on this and he showed a lot of potential to be a great king. He often focused on helping the poor and needy and built schools were both boys AND girls could study.

He is also said to be a cold character, but this is judging from his diary, what many people haven't realised until recently is this was a diary only meant to record from a political point of view and was an exercise set by his tutors and others.

Mary and Edward got on well but it was there religions which stopped them being any closer . Edward once, when at court confronted Mary on not obeying his Laws and Practising mass . Mary burst into tears and replied that although he was intelligent for his age he still had much to learn about being a king.

Elizabeth and Edward got on a lot better due to the fact that they shared the same religious views and that they were of closer age. Elizabeth often made shirts for him and Edward thanked her . he kept in contact with both sisters in a endearing and loving way.

Edward was eager to take the kingdom into his own hands, mainly of course because he wanted to rule without being told what to do and also because he felt like he was being treated very childishly for his age and was given small amounts of pocket money and dragged everywhere , no doubt embarrassing for the boy king.


yeah any additional information, comments, thoughts or opinions are welcome =]

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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2009, 01:48:30 PM »
i think he had good intentions. but then again so did his sister mary, and we all know how well that turned out.

of course that's speculative, but i tend to think he wouldn't have been as tolerant as elizabeth and that might have ruined the protestant cause in england, as mary's catholic enthusiasm ruined the catholic cause.

i have heard different accounts on his health. the general impression was that he was sickly but i have also read that he was actually very healthy and that he insisted on participating on council meetings. until he simply fell sick and died.

of course, his diary was for political purposes and he must have felt a bit like big brother contestants are feeling today - watched all the time. after all, a long line of women were to inherit the throne after him and we know from his father's desperation to have a son that that idea didn't sit well with most people. so, yeah, people watched him all the time from the time he was born. so maybe in his way he was being honest - because his diary was as private as anything he ever had.

he did manifest coldness when his uncle edward was executed. but then, since the executor was now lord protector, one might argue that he was controlling the boy's thoughts even in his diaries... so he had to watch what he was writing.

so yeah, we'll never know. as a person, it's a shame he died so young. on the other hand i have this cynical sensation that for england it might have been a blessing in disguise.
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Re: Edward VI
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2009, 06:17:27 PM »
Many people think that King Edward VI died young and left little or no legacy behind him.  This is actually far from the truth.  I would like to share something of personal interest.

Edward VI is remembered as the sickly boy King who died young… and yet in fact he leaves a lasting legacy behind him, one of which has meant that my nephew has a particular interest in him.

This is because he attends King Edward’s School, Witley.  The school was founded in 1553 by King Edward VI and was originally founded as the Bridewell Royal Hospital by King Edward.  Nicholas Ridley (Bishop of London) had pleaded with the King to hand over empty Palaces to house homeless women and children.  The King signed a charter which formed the foundation to establish "The Bridewell Royal Hospital" and the run-down building was repaired with monies from The London Livery Companies - a relationship which continues to this day.  Originally the children were apprenticed to learn trades but in 1632 the first schoolmaster was appointed.  As it grew and developed over time, in 1860 the school was renamed “King Edward’s School” and in 1867 moved to its current site in Witley, Surrey.  It celebrated its 450th year in 2003 and today is a successful Independent School taking day pupils and boarders, both boys and girls, it's current President is The Duchess of Gloucester who took over after the death of The Queen Mother.  The majority of the Houses are named after Tudor historical figures including Ridley and Edward VI.  Queens is named for Edward VI’s two sisters, Queen Mary 1 and Queen Elizabeth 1.

Nicholas Ridley was burned at the stake for his support of Lady Jane Grey.  My nephew is in Grafton House, named for Richard Grafton, who was appointed The King’s Printer under Edward VI however on the King’s death he printed a Proclamation of the accession of Lady Jane Grey to the throne and was put in prison when Mary ascended the throne.  He died in 1573. 

Through the main entrance to the school stands a large statue… of “the boy King Edward VI”, a lasting reminder of the Founder of the School.