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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2010, 03:59:27 PM »
Re Reply #44:  Please note that IMO, (though I do not speak for her), you have NOT definitively answered "Saruska's" question, relating to the "Sinister" remark and giving people the "chills", only deflected it by saying "in a book," and then changing the subject by moving on to other potentially-related quotes, "like here's one....." Perhaps the wording "sinister" prank laugh/ "chills" is YOUR dramatic "literary-license" interpretation?  However, you HAVE said that when you find the "other" (quote), you'll put it up.  It will be interesting to see the exact wording AND the source.  AP
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2010, 04:01:25 PM »

This photo shows a little his teeth!

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2010, 07:12:15 PM »
Continuing potentially clarifying information about the hair-cutting episode in Reply # 44, as related by " Gorseheart":   Reacting to this quote, in another thread,  ("Discussion about the Imperial Family and European Royalty/ Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich/ Alexei Anecdotes,"  poster "Dust of History" in Reply #36, relates the following (full quote, but the emphasises are mine):  "Well, ACTUALLY Alexei hid behind a curtain and cut his OWN hair.  Gibbes said that Alexei cut himself a bald place."  AP
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« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2010, 04:28:36 AM »
I got the information about the hair-cutting episode from the book "Alexej - Sohn des letzten Zaren" (Alexei - son of the last tsar) by Elisabeth Heresch. I think you can also find this information in Pierre Gilliard's book. Ms Heresch used it as a main source. Sorry for being unclear. :-)  

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« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2010, 04:39:33 AM »
How old was Alexei at the time of the alleged hair-cutting incident?

My brother when aged about four cut a chunk out of his front hair and there was a gap at that point for years after.

If the story of his cutting Mr Gibbes's hair is true then Alexei was even more spoilt and undisciplined than I realised!

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« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2010, 04:52:24 AM »
I think he was nine. The incident took place in one of Gibbes first lessons with Alexei. 

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« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2010, 06:08:45 AM »
Reflecting on Replies # 49 on this thread (Ann), and #36 ("Dust of History") in a related thread previously mentioned: it appears, if I understand correctly, that the Heir cut (no pun intended) a bald spot on his OWN hair and did NOT mutilate the tutor's hair, as first seemed to be suggested.  AP
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« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2010, 01:49:16 PM »
Yes. Alexei first wanted to cut Mr Gibbes hair but Gibbes refused. Then Alexei cut his OWN hair, wherupon Gibbes said that Alexei had cut a bald spot on his head. But I think Gibbes just wanted to keep the Heir from doing that again. 
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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2010, 09:27:31 AM »
I do know he had a certain laugh that gave people the chills, because it was his "Sinister" prank laugh.

Interesting. Do you know the source for that info? I've not heard of that before.

I've picked this information up in a book, but there are several quotes, like here's one from: "The Romanovs & Mr. Gibbs"-

 "There were several battles involving scissors. 'I had a rather bad quarter' Gibbes wrote in dismay. 'He wanted to cut my hair off and he was rather disconcerted when I told him he had made a bald place...he would insist on cutting or pretending to cut everything. The more I tried to prevent him, the more he shrieked with delight' Gibbes noted, with disapproval, a change in the Tsarevitch's appearance during these outbursts. 'He doesn't look handsome then: a most curious expression.' At the time Gibbes had no idea the Tsarevitch was a hemophiliac. Had he known, he would have been considerably more disturbed by the boy's antics."

(Please understand, I pick my information up from very reliable sources, never those stupid "Dating sites". Plus I've found numerous times when others have failed to quote. But this is only one of the quotes, when I find the other, I'll put it up. So please, don't be rude, I can be smart about a subject too.)


As I pointed out in a parallel thread, this passage was misquoted significantly. Text in italics was omitted from Gorseheart's post:

"There were several battles involving scissors. 'I had rather a bad quarter,' Gibbes wrote in dismay. 'He wanted to cut my hair, and afterwards his own, and when I tried to prevent him, he went behind the curtain and held it round him. When I opened it he had actually cut some hair off and was rather disconcerted when I told him he had made a bald place... he would insist on cutting or pretending to cut everything."

(The Romanovs and Mr. Gibbes, pg 42.)


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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2010, 09:54:34 PM »
I do know he had a certain laugh that gave people the chills, because it was his "Sinister" prank laugh.

Interesting. Do you know the source for that info? I've not heard of that before.

I've picked this information up in a book, but there are several quotes, like here's one from: "The Romanovs & Mr. Gibbs"-

 "There were several battles involving scissors. 'I had a rather bad quarter' Gibbes wrote in dismay. 'He wanted to cut my hair off and he was rather disconcerted when I told him he had made a bald place...he would insist on cutting or pretending to cut everything. The more I tried to prevent him, the more he shrieked with delight' Gibbes noted, with disapproval, a change in the Tsarevitch's appearance during these outbursts. 'He doesn't look handsome then: a most curious expression.' At the time Gibbes had no idea the Tsarevitch was a hemophiliac. Had he known, he would have been considerably more disturbed by the boy's antics."

(Please understand, I pick my information up from very reliable sources, never those stupid "Dating sites". Plus I've found numerous times when others have failed to quote. But this is only one of the quotes, when I find the other, I'll put it up. So please, don't be rude, I can be smart about a subject too.)


As I pointed out in a parallel thread, this passage was misquoted significantly. Text in italics was omitted from Gorseheart's post:

"There were several battles involving scissors. 'I had rather a bad quarter,' Gibbes wrote in dismay. 'He wanted to cut my hair, and afterwards his own, and when I tried to prevent him, he went behind the curtain and held it round him. When I opened it he had actually cut some hair off and was rather disconcerted when I told him he had made a bald place... he would insist on cutting or pretending to cut everything."

(The Romanovs and Mr. Gibbes, pg 42.)


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« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2011, 11:57:30 AM »
What a mischievous little boy! Though he did grow up during his stay at Stavka. He was very grown up when Pierre Gilliard told him of Nicholas's abdictation - he didn't cry, like OTMA did, or even mension himself.

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2011, 02:03:05 AM »

Any of the above would have been highly attractive candidates because they came out of hemophilia free marriages which by the 1920s would have been pretty obvious I would have thought!


Who knows if he wouldn't have choose a russian girl for marrying for love. We know, that this was nearly impossible according to the law and the profound aversion of the IF to morganatic marriages, but times always changes and remember his parents (esp. his mother) which were absolutely devoted to him and the possibility of his own froward head. Who knows if he wouldn't have said: "This one and no other." He was not the well-behaved child like his sisters and much more was him allowed to do. And everything was addicted to him.



in fact it was the same think his father did , he said "Alix or nobody else"


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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2011, 02:10:37 AM »
How old was Alexei at the time of the alleged hair-cutting incident?

My brother when aged about four cut a chunk out of his front hair and there was a gap at that point for years after.

If the story of his cutting Mr Gibbes's hair is true then Alexei was even more spoilt and undisciplined than I realised!

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don't forget that male kids are always protected by mother, more if you are ill and the only boy in your family destinated to throne you can easily understand that , even if Alexej had perhaps good heart, he felt that he would  be always proteced whatever he did and he was also a ltģittle ungry for his illness.


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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2011, 02:18:35 AM »
I have a younger brother who was asthmatic and also spoilt rotten!

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