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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #105 on: December 28, 2010, 03:28:04 PM »
That's actually someone's art -- though very impressive it is.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #106 on: December 28, 2010, 07:41:03 PM »
I thought it was a photograph retouched by a newspaper.

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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #107 on: December 28, 2010, 07:55:18 PM »
Yes, i think that too. "Edwardian Airbrush"

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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #108 on: December 28, 2010, 08:52:05 PM »
Re Posts # 119 and 120:  IMO, I would agree. Someone has indeed "worked-over" an existing photograph, or part thereof. The tinkering/retouching is most noticeable in the harsh contrast/definition of the outlines of the hair-bow and the necklace. Entirely "original" art (painting/pastel,etc.) would have left a "softer" profile of those two items.  As noted, the particular illustration copy shown (Post # 117) is from courtesy of the Prussian Picture Archives.    AP.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #109 on: December 29, 2010, 03:42:11 AM »
I thought it was a portrait based on a formal picture.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #110 on: December 29, 2010, 06:43:19 AM »
Re Response #122:  IMO, a competently trained portrait artist would not have left such glaring discrepancies.  It almost reminds one of a "cut-out (background removed)," as demonstrated by the profile/contrast of the hair ribbon. The detail of the facial features, to me. are completely redolent of a photographic image, with bow. pearls, and detail of work on the dress all "gussied-up" with highlights  in an inept fashion.   AP.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #111 on: December 29, 2010, 01:09:34 PM »
I thought it was a portrait based on a formal picture.

As did I. I've seen the same portrait labeled as art myself.
I'm not sure how it could be a simple retouching as the number of pearls around her neck is odd and the lace front piece was not so circular in real life.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #112 on: December 29, 2010, 01:35:11 PM »
IMO, the "number" of (birthday ?) pearls has nothing to do with the purity of the illustration's supposed original state, rather in this illustration posted here, it's the DEFINITION/depiction of the pearls and bow especially in a black-outlined fashion that would not be present on a competent, unaltered portrait oil/pastel rendering. Thus in summation, I feel that it was/is originally a photo that has been altered in an inept fashion. The clarity of depiction of the facial features/contrast undoubtedly indicate original photographic origin.   Regards,  AP.  
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #113 on: December 29, 2010, 02:49:17 PM »
But the dress looks noticeably different than in the 1913 photos from which it was obviously taken. And, the overall "glossiness" of her face, which would take far more than the elementary "photoshop" skills of Edwardian times, points towards it either being a piece of art, --or-- a modern re-touch job.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #114 on: December 29, 2010, 04:17:24 PM »
"Edwardian" (although amazing things were done then, example being photos of Queen Alexandra's face, and I  DO understand that the King died in 1910, as regards the era style) or relatively "modern,"  my impression remains: photo retouch/manipulation, which could be construed as a "type" of art by its practioners, I suppose.  Regards,  AP.  
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #115 on: January 03, 2011, 04:34:38 AM »
This also not a picture, but a miniature of Anastasia:

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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #116 on: January 03, 2011, 06:45:26 AM »
Re illustration in Post 121:   IMO, this miniature contains a glaring error.  I don't know the origin of THIS particular illustration (it MAY come from some amateur colorist/"artist"), but the ribband shown has the PRINCIPAL color of the St. Andrew (blue), which grandduchesses were NOT awarded.  I rather gather that it is meant to depict the Order of St. Catherine, to which grandduchesses WERE entitled. The correct ribband was scarlet with the silver edges.  (The Saint Andrew has NO edging. ) Another reason to not trust implicitly in such efforts. It appears to have been obviously cropped/copied from one of the well-known formal photographs. The surrounding frame is interesting.    Regards,  AP.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #117 on: January 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM »
AP, that is exactly why I research and ask the knowledgeable what is correct...because here we see a nice portrait that  is not as good as it could have been because of a mistake. It is unfortunate because red would actually look better imo. I think the artist might have been fooled by the black and white photo. Red can" read " lighter in b/w than one would think  and it may have looked blue to them .

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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #118 on: January 04, 2011, 10:46:09 AM »

This is a still from a 1916 home video. Someone had colored the video but I can't find that video at the moment.


A zoomed crop of Anastasia.
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Re: Anastasia Pictures V
« Reply #119 on: January 04, 2011, 10:23:41 PM »
Holly, is that movie still  you posted from the film  where they get out of a car? I saw it once on a You tube  video that looks like this . I think Prince Igor is with them. Olga flashes someone with a big smile .About the Imp @Sevastopol 1916 photo:  I scanned that from the private world book. I figure out away to get around the printed dot problem when scanning from books  and so can get them pretty big. As you most likely know, this photo is printed quite small in the book itself .  Photos from that time are among my favourites  as well for all the children...we at least get a glimpse of what would have been.

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