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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2009, 08:35:25 AM »
About the photo in the reply #44...who are the other children with Alexei?...

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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2009, 11:23:27 AM »
in reference to the photo in reply number 45.  I believe that is Derevenko standing behind the Tsar in the riverside photo.


Derevenko's  sons,  Aleksei and Serge.
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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2009, 12:53:54 PM »
Attention   "Douglas" (and interested others) re Reply # 46 and "Douglas' " Reply # 50 :   These are not Derevenko's sons.  These are two of the cadets that from time to time accompanied the Heir on excursions.  The boys are Vasya Agayev ( with white cap ) and Zehnya Makarov (with black cap ).  For further reference/s, see my replies of  # 40 (December 11, 2008) and # 42 (December 12, 2008) under the subject:  "Photo-album Alexei, about 485 pictures."  If you need further documented reference, I can supply publication title.  Regards,    AP
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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2009, 12:58:42 PM »
Isn't his name Zehnya?  Those boys frequently visited Tsarskoe Selo, and during 1917 Makarov was at Tsarskoe Selo. Their fate is unknown to me. I only know, one old woman(from Mogilev), in one interview said she remembered Heir with cadets playing around Mogilev.
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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2009, 01:03:18 PM »
Thank you, "Nena":  "Zehnya" is the correct spelling!   Best wishes,  AP

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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2009, 12:33:44 PM »
The Alexander Palace Time Machine is pleased and honored to be able to present our users the first chance to see a previously unknown and unpublished (as far as we can tell) very early photograph now in our collection of Evo Imperalnaye Velishestve Tsetsarevich Naslednik Velikiye Knyaz Alexei Nicholaievich, taken by Bulla in 1906:



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« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2009, 12:52:56 PM »
Iī m going to be the unbelieving Thomas now.... if it really is Alexei, he doesnīt look like himself at all! :) In 1906 Alexei wore girlīs clothes and had curly hair.

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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2009, 01:15:40 PM »
Do a little more research! Here is Alexei on board the Standardt with someone familiar, in 1906. I'd say its a perfect match. Also, Bulla was the photographer for the Imperial Family, and nobody would have DARED to give any other child a Standardt cap to wear...


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« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2009, 01:33:10 PM »
OK. In that case he doesnīt look like himself :) If Iīd see that picture somewhere else, I would never have gussed it is the same child.

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« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2009, 01:37:02 PM »
Oh - I did a little more research as you wanted, and the photo of Nikolai and Alexei is in Love, Power and tragedy labelled as year 1908, not 1906, so Alexei would be four already. The child in the picture looks much younger than 4.

EDIT: Also thinking about it, isnīt  the famous footage of children playing on Polar Star from 1906? If yes, Alexei should look like this:
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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2009, 02:21:28 PM »
The Alexander Palace Time Machine is pleased and honored to be able to present our users the first chance to see a previously unknown and unpublished (as far as we can tell) very early photograph now in our collection of Evo Imperalnaye Velishestve Tsetsarevich Naslednik Velikiye Knyaz Alexei Nicholaievich, taken by Bulla in 1906:



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Alexei on Standart, 1907:


For what its worth, Bob is convinced 100% the Bulla photos are Alexei.

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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2009, 03:12:26 PM »
Oh, wow. That's really interesting.

Like Ally, I don't immediately see a resemblance to Aleksei, but the Standart cap and photographer is striking evidence. Also, the way his little ears stick out is certainly reminiscent of this photo of Aleksei as an infant:



In fact, as I look through my photo collection I'm realizing I have virtually NO photographs of Aleksei taken between the christening session in 1904 and the formals from 1905 and 1906. So perhaps that's why it's hard to recognize him at this very young age.

Rob, how were you able to determine the date as 1906?
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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #57 on: June 05, 2009, 03:41:12 PM »
Iī m going to be the unbelieving Thomas now.... if it really is Alexei, he doesnīt look like himself at all! :) In 1906 Alexei wore girlīs clothes and had curly hair.

I am a real Thomas - and I agree with you. That child is definitely not the heir
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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2009, 03:46:24 PM »
We looked at photographs of Alexei from 1906, 1907, 1908. Bob felt from his height it was probably late 1906, though could also be earlier 1907. His hair isn't curly as in the 1905- early 06 photos, but he is still rather small.

As I have said before, who ELSE would Imperial Court Photographer Karl Bulla take photos of wearing a Standardt cap, exactly like the one Alexei is known to have worn his entire life? We find many facial similarities to the 1907 photos on the Standart I posted above...Bob is a trained portrait painter, trained to see facial similarities.  If he is convinced, I'm convinced.  He knows more about the IF than anyone else I know.
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Re: Aleksei Photos III
« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2009, 03:50:06 PM »
Do a little more research! Also, Bulla was the photographer for the Imperial Family, and nobody would have DARED to give any other child a Standardt cap to wear...

Please look on page 162 of Prince Michael of Greece's photobook. There is a bunch of boys dressed identically with the heir - including the "Standart" cap.
Also, many court members and their families were photographed by the Imperial photographers. That child could very well be one of a "Standart" officer - perhaps the son of Lili Dehn.
The dress/hat of the lady who - in your opinion - might be a nurse indicates, by the way, that the photo was taken in about 1910 or even later...
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