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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2004, 06:56:57 AM »
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Penny: How can I get your "specail edition" copy? What kind of un-published information is included?

Thanks!

Deshka


It should be listed with back-issues on the website-

http://www.atlantis-magazine.com

It contains material cut from the book for reasons of space, including a long examination of Kerensky's intent on sending the Romanovs into exile; the motives of several mysterious figures working among the Bolsheviks in Tobolsk; a day-by-day, hour-by-hour timeline of the Imperial Family in the Ipatiev House; a longer examination of the four "Officer" letters; a discussion about the so-called "Train to Perm" that figures in a lot of the Romanov conspiracy theories; a detailed ballistic recreation of the murder and forensic examination of what that evidence reveals; and a very long review of every (up to 2003) book published on the murders in English, Russian, French, German, Italian, etc.

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2004, 07:23:14 AM »
Greg,
This special issue sounds very interesting and I would love to purchase a copy! I know that Penny has said that not all of the "Atlantis" backissues are ready for purchase yet, however. Do you know if this one is available? Thanks!

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2004, 07:30:52 AM »
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Greg,
This special issue sounds very interesting and I would love to purchase a copy! I know that Penny has said that not all of the "Atlantis" backissues are ready for purchase yet, however. Do you know if this one is available? Thanks!


Hi Sarai

I think it's only the first 5-6 that are problematic at the moment-we switched over to a new system and the issues that came before it all have to be re-formatted by hand because in the first year the illustations and photos were within the text and have to be realigned.  But certainly anything in the last year or year and a half is available easily enough, including the special issue.

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2004, 09:31:31 AM »
I will vouch for Greg & Penny...I have a copy. The issue is a great addenda to FOTR. I can see why the material had to be edited out or their would have been a "volume 2"!
Now, as for those Vol. 3 issues ?? {hint, Penny]
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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2004, 03:18:12 PM »
The special "Fate of the Romanovs" issue of Atlantis is definitely available and the details should be on the website.   Any questions can be directed to me in my inbox here.  Starting on Sunday and for about a week afterwards would be a good time to hit me with orders, because I have a bit of downtime between "real" work and putting together the next issue of Atlantis, which is going to be out a little late because of waiting for research to complete in St Petersburg...

One item that Greg didn't mention in his account of the special issue contents is the article we wrote on the "lysv" inscription found on the wall of the murder room.  Quite by chance, we think we managed to stumble across the actual meaning of those letters!  It's one of my favorite pieces of serendipitous research...  :D

As for the rest of Atlantis -- Volume 4 is entirely available, Volumes 1 and 2 are not, and Volume 3 is just about finished being upgraded...  So I'll be dropping you a line soon, Robert!  :-*
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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2004, 01:35:09 PM »
I finally got my copy of FOTR and I must say this is a very well written book.Penny and Greg you have done an excellent job.I just started it sat. and I'm almost half way through it,I can't put it down.Thank you both very much for doing the research and writing this book.It really is excellent! :D
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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2004, 02:50:26 PM »
Greg and Penny,

How many years of research did you spend in collaboration on "Fate of the Romanovs?" What would you say was the most difficult process in writing your work?

I know, I am far too eager and curious for a Hobbit  ;)

Much obliged!  :D

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2004, 06:16:20 PM »
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Greg and Penny,

How many years of research did you spend in collaboration on "Fate of the Romanovs?" What would you say was the most difficult process in writing your work?

I know, I am far too eager and curious for a Hobbit  ;)

Much obliged!  :D

We both started on our own projects about the same time-round 1990; we joined together to do a single book in 2000, and spent the next 3 years working together.

The most difficult part was probably that the writing was all done, with a few exceptions, by each of us and exchanged in emails; living in different states, we would spend what time we could together, researching in Russia and Europe, and a few months together here to assemble materials and discuss them.

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2004, 05:26:42 PM »
I found it interesting that you found so much information on the once "mysterious"  Vassili Yakovlev plus a photograph.   According to your footnotes,  the person who was your main source was Yaklov Yurovsky.  

Was there any other source which mentioned  Yakovlev's history and his name as Konstantin Mayachin?

Where was the photograph found?

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #69 on: July 03, 2004, 09:01:41 PM »
Deshka,
Greetings from a blockheaded Bracegirdle from Hardbottle!  (Hobbits Rule! ;D )
R

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I believe that many revolutionaries used multiple names...after all Stalin was originally Ioself Dzugashvily and Trotsky was Lev Bronstein.
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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2004, 01:25:21 AM »
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I found it interesting that you found so much information on the once "mysterious"  Vassili Yakovlev plus a photograph.   According to your footnotes,  the person who was your main source was Yaklov Yurovsky.  


Sorry, but you're wrong here.  The main source for Myachin-Yakovlev's story was Myachin-Yakovlev himself.  There are unpublished memoirs written by him at two archives: TsDOOSO, fond 221 op. 2 d. 964 and the Party Archives of Bashkirov, fond 1832.  We quote from both of them, and both of them are correctly sourced in our notes.  We also quote and source several published works, for example, Mstislavsky and Kobylinsky via Sokolov.  Yakov Yurovsky is NOT our "main source" for information on Myachin-Yakovlev.

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Where was the photograph found?

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We purchased our photo of Myachin-Yakovlev from a private collector with impeccable sources.  There is another version of our photo which appears in Love, Power and Tragedy, though theirs bears official stamps and seals, and ours does not.  It is undoubtedly the same man, if you want to check.

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2004, 01:06:39 PM »
>>Myachin/ Yakovlev<<

Opps, thinking one name and writing another.  My mistake.  
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Love, Power and Tragedy, though theirs bears official stamps and seals, and ours does not.

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Is this a book?  If so, who is the author?

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2004, 01:43:40 PM »
Yes, this is a book. Its complete title is The Romanovs: Love, Power, and Tragedy by A. N. Bokhanov et al. It was published by Leppi Publications. You can find it on Amazon.com or through the publisher's website (they are located in the UK) at http://www.leppi.com.

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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2004, 02:01:00 PM »
Love, Power and Tragedy is just a fabulous picture book on the last Romanovs.  Probably my favorite in the picture book category.  Amazon sells it:

http://tinyurl.com/2to2m

Leppi also publishes a similar book on the Montenegrins called Nikola and Milena, King and Queen of the Black Mountain.  It has tons of photos and loads of new and detailed information on all their children and many of their grandchildren and descendants alive today.  Grand Duchesses Anastasia and Militza feature prominently, and I was very interested to see photographs of their sister Maria, who died at the age of sixteen while attending the Smolny.  Amazon has this book too:

http://tinyurl.com/253lg

I highly recommend them both.  Maybe I should have put this on the recommendations thread... ;D
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Re: The Fate of The Romanovs,Greg King,Penny Wilson
« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2004, 09:02:06 PM »
rskkiya,

[glb]I love the Lord of the Rings![/glb]
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(Almost as much as I love the Romanovs)  ;)