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Offline brnbg aka: liljones1968

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Brian (liljones1968),
I understand where you're coming from.  Thank you for your explanation.

AlexP, wow... I had never heard that.

Imagine, for a moment, that you are a part of this family.  First of all, everyone talks about you (in high society, at least), from the legitimacy of Felix himself, to the fact that Felix insinuates the illegitimacy of his grandfather, to the fact that a murder/assisination (if even for the most honorable causes) occurred.

Then, there are multiple books that have been written, with some of them done by excellent researchers who counter the theories put forth by the family members themselves (Ferrand vs what Felix Youssoupoff wrote in his memoires).

I would find it no wonder to feel a certain aggrevation with the world in general in something that I would consider to basically be not of anyone else's business.  But, as I am sure most of the folks on this forum would agree, being born to privilege sometimes has the significant drawback of incurring the attention of many outside of the family circle.

Best regards,
Tasha




well, once someone in your family writes a book, whatever it's subject is, can no longer be looked at as being "of no one else's business"....that relative (however far removed) signed-away any possibility of privacy WITH REGARDS TO THE BOOK'S SUBJECT MATTER.


besides, this is a public forum.   it's unrealistic for anyone to believe they can control the topic direction or, indeed, the tone of a discussion --- except, of course, for the all-powerful FAs! ;-)

ideally, the rules of polite discussion would be in effect (or, at least, a basic sense of respect for others).    but, in all honesty, it bothers me that i felt the need to apologize for acknowledgeing what i consider/ed
to be the high-handed tone katusha used in correcting an opinion that is not just mine, but is in general & common use.

aneeeeeeeway.....

i do want to emphasize that i never offer hollow apologies; therefore,  i meant every word of my apology --- however, it does bother me that i felt i needed to....i don't think anything i wrote was rude or disrespectful (i was simply retelling the widely known rumor about the origin of 'Elston').     nothing in my post actually warranted a reprimand, and yet i apologized to the one that came in unknown, borderline rude & when called on it, simply disappeared.    how convenient.    the whole thing is just galling.    



ah well....  


"i can vouch for the bloodline in my hounds.   yours, however, is anyone's guess...."
                                 -- Friedrich-Forrest graf von R.
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                                              Friedrich-Forrest II)
                         
"when i die, i hope i go like my grandfather --
peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

-- anonymous
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Oh, dear... it must have been my mothering guilting you into it  ;).  Us mothers do have a tendency to do that.

Accept my apology?
Cheers!
Tasha

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I don't really know why I am replying, maybe fury...
I don't need to prove who I am, I am myself, born in London,You can see me in the family tree under Anstey.

I don't understand the interest which seems to border on fanaticism but I will no longer participate.
Over and out.

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I don't understand "fury". I don't think anyone has done anything disrespectful or "obsessive". You asked that the facts be correct. Well, people were presenting the known facts. You, on the other hand, provided nothing to the disucssion in the way of fact, and then seem to be offended.

Perhaps you are upset that the extensive research by M. Ferrand uncovered the family secret that Felix Elston was an illegitimate child and not of noble birth? Frankly, today, I don't think a single person in this Forum would see this as a negative.

We had hoped that you might indeed have some information to share with everyone, much as AlexP has done about his Russian ancestors. Sadly, all you can do is seem rather petulant.


Offline brnbg aka: liljones1968

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EXACTLY!  thank you FA.....and "petulant" seems very appropriate.   (it could also be applied to me, at various times... ;-)


i must confess, i'm rather baffled by this katusha person's reasoning....    i agree that she need not feel any need to prove herself.   however, she fails to acknowledge that we need not believe her.    and she mentions "fanaticism"....perhaps.   but, then, why was she here in the first place?   what brought her here, if it wasn't some sort of interest?    

katusha --
i'm not going to do this privately (mainly because i don't want to), but i'm not sure you're seeing our point (at least, it's my point, anyway):

when you arrived, we were discussing/re-telling an anecdote (?), story, whatever, about one of the rumours surrounding the person of Feliks Elston.     specifically, the humorous rumour re: the origin of his name.    it's a tale/story that has appeared many books, & cited by many people.     true or not --- who knows?    but you arrive, admonishing us (or was it just me?) for not having our "facts" straight.    i NEVER claimed it was fact.    besides that, you bring up things that no-one has ever heard of before --  and BELIEVE ME when i say, there are some EXTREMELY knowledgeable people here.    i, myself, am not one of them.    i've just read everything i've been able to get my hands on.    but they would, surely, have heard something about the events & "facts" you bring up....don't you think?    

i'm not saying you're a liar, nor am i doubting your accident of birth; what i am saying is this:  
in this forum, as in real, everyday Life,   no-one need believe what you say, simply because you say it.    and, in all honesty, i don't care who you are, or are not.      feel free to be anyone you wish.    just remember --- it's foolish to think that you'll ever (E V E R) get others to see your point of view by simply expecting them to see it.  

in any event, i wish you well.

oh yeah, one more thought:
lighten-up, lady[/b].   life is short & all these people are dead & buried.    they have moved-on....    if no-one knew for sure back then, i seriously doubt anyone will ever know.    and unless you have some sort of evidence to offer, what right do you have to be angry with anyone for not automatically believing you?     why  get so angry at all?    this is a public forum for discussion.  emphasis on "discussion".
polite conversation.  the respectful exchange of ideas & information.

----  btw, when i used to throw tantrums like yours, i was usually sent to my room. ----

"over and out" right back atcha, lady.


"when i die, i hope i go like my grandfather --
peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

-- anonymous
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Offline brnbg aka: liljones1968

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dear FA --
i apologize for my part in allowing this thread to get waaaay off track (well....sorta off track.)    in an odd way, it's actually still on track.   i'd bet exchanges  about this very subject (the origins of "Elston" and, therefor, the origins of the person bearing the name) and much less polite than this one, took place st. petersburg and with much the same result.    ;)
"when i die, i hope i go like my grandfather --
peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

-- anonymous
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Prince Felix Yussupov, Sr., aboard the H.M.S. Marlborough, 1919.

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Hello Everyone, I am researching the Sumarokov-Elston and Yusupov family and am interested in the interest in them. I notice that people quote quite a rich list of source materials and I would be interested to make sure that my own bibliography is complete.

Any helpful hints woul be much appreciated.

Moya klichka is vnuchka...so that will keep you all guessing! Perhaps there's a mirage at the end of the rainbow....

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Not a photo but an interesting portrait of Felix-senior. He looks formidable.


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foto of the bee-keepers (& bee-masters) of the Ishmailovskoy Experimental Apiary. 
the prince Feliks Feliksovich Sr. Yusupov (front row, in military uniform & medals).
he was the chairman of the Society of the Acclimatization of Animals and Plants.
to the prince's right (our left) is the manager of the apiary, Grigoriy Alexandrovich Kozhevnikov.
Moscow, 1916.

(click on image for larger version)




NOTE: i'd never heard the word before, but an apiary is "a place where bees are kept; a collection of beehives."
i learn something new every day!  ;-P

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"when i die, i hope i go like my grandfather --
peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

-- anonymous
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Felix Sr


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Felix Sr and Nicholas II

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Felix Senior and the Chief of his regiment, Empress Maria Fedorovna, in 1904.




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Re: Princess Zenaida and Count Felix - parents of Felix-jr, their family life
« Reply #89 on: September 07, 2008, 07:36:05 AM »
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